Player Features and Ideas Discussion

My petition was directed here by a Dev. Hope its 'on topic'.
I fly the U boat of Eve the Pilgrim
Just after retribution i tackled a Drake ( it can be done!) in a lo sec radar.
The shock of a sudden de-cloak and the rat damage assists me greatly against superior ships.
However my pilgrim just blew up in record time while i was still trying to launch my hornets to break lock.
I took 48% damage from the the Drake and 52% from the Rats that were initially aggressing the drake
The rats switched aggression to the 'weaker' ship attacking the mighty Drake
Why ? And will this always be so.?

I don't want to risk another ship to test the mechanics.
Essentially my entire game style developed over 2 years is at risk

Any helpful comments and suggestions appreciated

And Merry Christmas to all pilots , docked and in space .

Thats not poetic justice - more a badly written Limerick. Cant disagree about change and adapt but the cloak and a few rats were a very small advantage against bigger ships or more experienced players. Changing fit is not an answer - if your ship is given bonuses you use them.
When you don't fleet, gate camp or roam in packs (holding hands) and are prepared to be incredibly patient and stealthy ,its not a lot to ask that the rats don't blow the least well tanked ship up in seconds .


I got out of hi sec. I got out of my safety zone and i got into solo PVP so i feel thats a positive contribution to the game. I don't have a lot of spare time and as a mature player with a RL business to run i certainly don't want to spend hours employed by a teenager mining veldspar for a corporation ! I do enjoy informal Blue relations with 'locals' and can appreciate the wider social aspect of this game But solo Pilgrim WAS my entire game and it was very absorbing and great fun

But as you say they have fxxxxxed my game. The sub is no big deal in cash - the gesture of cancelling it may be futile- but its a real pisser. Its only a game, but i have my style and I've given up RL leisure time developing it. To have it casually written off doesn't make me want to train more skills. I actually feel like a mug whose purpose is to keep some Icelanders in comfortable employment

VILNIUS
"They came after the Hulks , and i did not speak up,
They came after drone boats ,and i did not speak up
Then they came after the Pilgrims and i still did not speak up
And then one day they came for me , and there was no one left to speak for me ...."


Regards

Zen

For what reason do you think that rats should not attack you when you uncloak next to them?

I am confused as to why you think your T2 cruiser is weaker than a T1 BC. Your tactics are old and you require a new fit or tactics. Relying on NPC dps to kill your target while you hold tackle is a little lame TBH

Seems to me that all is "working as intended"

I will admit... I had completely forgotten about the Pilgrim in the midst all the new changes.


Because the only advantages a HAC has over a battlecruiser is speed and size. Battlecruisers simply possess more tank, fitting options, and firepower for a quarter of the price.
Hell... some Tech 1 cruisers are almost, if not just, AS GOOD as their Tech 2 variants (e.g. Thorax and Deimos, Vexor and Ishtar, Moa and Eagle, Caracal and Cerberus).


Unfortunately, there is not much leeway in terms of tactics when it comes to certain Tech 2 ships... Recons in particular as they are generally "one-trick ponies" due to their specialization (that's the trade-off with Tech 2 ships... gain a great ability at the cost of flexibility).

The Pilgrim is only bonused for Ewar (Energy Neutralizers and Tracking Disruptors) and drones... both of which irritate the "new" NPCs.
The ship has 3 turret slots... but because of it's super tight CPU and PG you will have to give up Ewar, tank, or both to fit any weapons that will do any appreciable damage on their own. But in giving up the Ewar, you will need more tank because you will not be able to outlast anything even in the same class... let alone anything bigger.

No... the Pilgrim is specialized in grabbing people in compromising situations and bleeding them over time. Nothing direct. It can't "uncloak, stomp, and run." That's what a cloaky Proteus can do.

Zan Shiro - i see that, but as an 'explorer gone bad' I also have a background in low sec exploration. if someone appears in local and im taking rats in a site I just warp to my safe at about 170 and see what happens. i never stay in the actual site if I dont like the look of the new ship. Sometimes the site despawns but most of the time i warp back in and continue exploring.

Why were lazy or scared explorers allowed to influence the game mechanics?

Watch local and get out - don't ask for the naughty rats to go away.

i've been jumped a few times but I still explore and jump murdering people who get into 'my sites'

it wasn't broken but they fixed it.

if you want my reason for not going to nullsec to explore, its the presence of 30 fat guys drinking beer laughing into their microphones whilst my expensive recon dies in another bubbled gate..... sort that out CCP if you dare....

same question could be asked as to why unprobable was removed from the game because of pvp'ers.

When in place unprobable had more people out and about out of empire. Pvp'ers didn't like that they could not be found easily (there were ways to catch them). So it was changed. Because pvp'ers were too lazy to replace combat probes to scan out pve sites in the system. Can't find the person carebearing, find out where they are carebearing at being the intent.

Saw this method work a few times...our prober could not find the neut in system. So he scanned out sites and stuff. Bit of leg work to cruise sites but a few times ole boy was too greedy, thought he was safe due to unprobable and didn't want his ship anymore.

Basically there will never be a happy medium here. Pvp'ers wants targets. Not everyone wants to be a target. I see your issues....but I see the issue of making it more viable to run pve out of empire to spice up eve.

Well that and I just don't see ccp coding ai to make all happy. I commend you on being a fan of soloing apparently. But we know in a group mindset NPC AI is doing what the bulk of many grouped players do....kill the easy ships first. Basic example would be like.....

a cane, a rapier, and a drake walk into a bar. Drake most likely will be the top pita to kill based on tank. So it dies last. Then it jsut breaks down seeing who is easier to kill. If Rapier in range it be a good 1st choice.

You jumped a drake in a recon, human or AI that recon is the best candidate to drop first. Higher value KM for starters and well.... the other ship is a drake. The damage output of a solo drake even pre-nerf was not impressive, it firing missiles 30 seconds longer not end of the world tbh (I flew drakes pre-train, canes and harbs were always targetted first most times I flew with them).

Ignoring a couple of Trolls the point of this post was to voice my concerns about the new AI and give feedback to the Devs

The feedback so far suggests that

CCP changed AI in as a response in part to player requests for easier ratting , exploring and mission running in null sec
This to encourage more people into null sec

The new AI hates neuts/tracking disruption / EWAR in general and will prioritise and attack a ship using it

The new AI changes will not make any difference to a new pilot in null who relies on those bonused modules for defence - the rats will still hit him ( If the aggressor foolishly uses a neut nos or disrupter then the AI may have to divide its attention ? )

I think this is getting clearer to me

My request to any Devs who may have read this far is to review how much hatred these AI s have for the modules discussed.

In my particular corner of eve it feels very harsh

Taking 52%rat damage whilst trying to nibble an uber tanked Drake to death just seemed overkill with the new mechanics.
Not a whine. Just a 'wow'. Is that what they meant to happen ?

Ill get back in my pilgrim now and sharpen my knife

Thanks for the on topic feedback from the intelligent good looking pilots in here !


Zen Dad

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Basically rats react to ewar the same way a fleet would, by primarying the source of the ewar. They don't care if you're trying to help them, just like lowsec/nullsec blob won't care if you're trying to assist them. In EVE it's not who you're shooting but how much of a potential threat you are, and ewar of any sort makes you a priority over the guy in the drake who is just spamming missiles.

I have no problem with this change as long as CCP makes rats point as well.

Because of local it has always been hard to catch site runners. Now because of the new mechanics it's hard to hold them even if you catch them.