Jita Park Speakers Corner

It may seem that way, but they were indeed showing the right thing to the right people.

CCP wasn't simply talking about Dust mechanics in general and "educating" ignorant CSM members about a game they don't play, they were outlining the development of the game with regards to how it links up to the EVE universe. The frustration I mentioned was that CCP hasn't done a great job of having the Dust 514 team keep in touch with the CSM regarding the progress of the link development, which is material that wouldn't (and couldn't) be disseminated even to the beta participants as the same trust level simply isn't established. We have our own NDA and are shown features in much earlier states.

One of my major concerns that I've spoken openly about is that right now, I can't really offer feedback about whether or not EVE players will care about the link in its current form. And the closer we march towards the day Dust 514 will be consider "launched" and that question of "why should we care about any of this?" isn't sufficiently answered, the more I fear for its commercial success. EVE players caring about Dust is a pretty major requirement for the whole dual-platform integrated universe thing to be used (with any integrity) by the marketing departments.

What we learned at the summit is that a lot of that concern may be mitigated if the Shanghai studio keeps in closer contact with us moving forward, and to their credit they took the time to catch us up to speed on some future Dust / EVE gameplay touchpoints that are in the pipeline to help alleviate our frustration and skepticism.

Seleene and Mynnna are both spot on - until Dust 514 matters to EVE players, a Dust 514 community rep (that doesnt also have an extensive EVE background already) sitting on the CSM would be a poor use of a seat. We don't spend any time tweaking Dust 514 as a game itself, that is being handled just fine between the beta community and the developers directly. It's hard to argue the community doesn't have a voice in making Dust 514 a better game because they don't currently have a CSM rep. What would be valuable however is someone who understands both games intimately and can help ask tough questions and make good suggestions on how to build that link moving forward.

Regardless of the community's concerns, the fact that EVE Online and Dust 514 are on a collision course (even in slo-mo) is very clear to me, and I think its a bit naive to discount Dust 514 as "vapor-ware" implying that CCP doesn't actually have a game they've sunk money into and need a return on financially. They certainly can't afford to work on Dust 514 indefinitely, there will be a reckoning sooner or later, success or not. Future CSM's won't be doing their jobs if they don't pay attention to how this experiment plays out. And if not the whole group, they'll need at least one person who knows what they're talking about with regards to Dust 514.

Is this where we get signs and go picket CCP

"PS3 owners are people 2"
"Equal rights for FPS players"
"Free play = Freedom from oppression"
"You may pay subscriptions but Dust players are not your servants"
"The game is called DUST, NOT treat them like dirt"

Where do you get "worthless" from?

The voices in his head.

The CSM was created to placate the EVE playerbase over a perceived lack of transparency between ourselves and CCP management. Why something created to solve an EVE-based problem should automatically carry over to DUST is something that needs to be justified. If CCP came out with WoD, would we need to consider WoD representation on the CSM as well?

Not sure but so far we know **** about WoD. Atm Dust is in the scope.

Nah, I get it. I started my own campaign out initially by rallying people up against the previous CSM. It's a ridiculously common (and mildly effective) tactic, whether the previous CSM's deserve it or not.

Just be careful not to lay it on too thick, too fast, Zion. EVE players are smart, they'll see through it quick and once the initial spark wears off you'd still have to stand for what you know about EVE even if your personal motivation for running is to protect the Dust community.

Agreed,


In regards to your reply for me:

I’m not looking for division, I’m looking for acceptance. My statements are not for the “Now” but for what could be. Now that I know that there is no difference in position on the CSM, the only difference is in the candidates branding for vote’s I am no longer concerned about Dust not being represented.

I've seen no evidence of DUST being of any impact or import to EVE whatsoever; I've heard statements on the other hand about it being a non-PI effecting potential aspect of temperate planets in Faction Warfare. That amounts to less than nothing. Which doesn't really merit CSM representation. It didn't even merit CSM inquisition on your last CSM powwow; you spent less then 1/30th of the time on the DUST/EVE link then you did defining a "stakeholder". If that's how much you value this issue, just imagine how much I value it.

But maybe I'm wrong. In which case EVE players can feel free to nominate candidates for the CSM running on a DUST/EVE link platform, just like any other platform. People have run on stranger platforms like "mineral compression" (CSM Dovinian), "supercap patronage" (CSM Seleene) and "I Am Darius III" (CSM Darius III). Whether or not "DUST/EVE Link" belongs in the company of these successful standpoints is for the EVE player base can decide.

Alternatively, the DUST playerbase can have its own separate CSM, because it's a separate game no less worthy of representation. .