EVE General Discussion

Perfectly reasonable responce actually.

You asked a really hard question to be honest. It's difficult to explain.
CCP themselves consider joining a player run corp as being "the wider game". They want people to engage on larger scale player dynamics.

War decs aren't intended as a tool only for sov warfare. High sec is supposed to be using the same tools to wage industrial war on other high sec corps.

If this was WoW I would have said tha tthe wider game is end game content, and people who don't take part in end game content aren't taking part in the wider game, even though you're not required to do so. It is a choice.

In EVE though it's improtant that your choices have impat.
You can choose to stay in the NPC corp, that's fine, but it should have real weight. EVE isn't so much about "the individual" so much as it's about that individual in a player run corp. You have a huge impact on the larger world dynamics when you're in the world NPC corps and you shouldn't.

Player run corps in high sec should have as much an impact on high sec as a null corp can have in null.
High sec is more broken than null to be honest; which also contributes the some of the issues in null. NPC corps trivialize the player dynamics that are possible in null becuase they allow you all the same benefits while being able to avoid a lot of the larger player dynamics that CCP gave us the tools to create.

NPC corps have a much bigger impact on high sec than the high sec corps do; it shoudln't be that way.

The "wider game" is what Soundwave is talking about when he says:


NPC corps aren't being used for their intended purpose. They're being exploited for the increased safety with no penalty.

actually the main problem seems to be that most people in npc corps i talk to, just dont find player corps attractive, they DONT really LIKE npc corps, but they feel that player corps are NOT a better option

the attitude is, that player corps are added risk, with low chances of any reward

players in npc corps dont see gold at the end of the player corp rainbow, they see a a big turd at the end of that rainbow
therefore:
nerfing npc corps is likelier to make people quit EVE then it is to make them quit the npc corps


the question is really
how do you make npc corp people feel like they are missing out by staying in that npc corp?
how do you make people decide to try to take that risk?

How would you define a player run starter corp. CCP could buff player corps by taking a look at the Corporation Management skills needed to run a player corp. Its all skewed towards null sec sov junk. I propose CCP make a separate skill division for Sov. mechanics and one for Corp Management.
Ex: 1. A skill that raises your corps standing with an empire (call it trade agreement IDK.)
Ex 2. A skill that gives a bonus to missions (call it government contracting?)
These are just some ideas for skills that could encourage players to join a player corp.

As long as player corps can be war decced for no better reason than ***** and giggles they have no draw for my alts. My main is in a player corp which I do things with on occasion but honestly if I were to really want to "do" something I'd use an NPC corp. The 10% tax is a small price to pay for the freedom of saying FU to the war deccing griefy corps I have had to deal with in the past.

This has been discussed ad infinitum multiple times.

1) People will want to do whatever they want in a game they're paying money for. Righteous forum trolling won't change that.
2) People don't want to be suicide ganked doing what they want to do. Righteous forum trolling won't change that.
3) Everyone KNOWS that is a game loaded with PVP. It's not ONLY PVP, which the righteious forum trolls refuse to accept. They see it, but refuse to accept the fact.
4) If I'm paying good money to play a game with as wide and diverse an action framework that EveO has, I'll be damned if I'm going to let some unemployed summer school drop-out tell me how and where to spend my time, how and where to fly a ship into an ambush, and how and when I can generate money to replace those foolishly lost goods.

You love null sec? Good for you. You love ganking freight haulers in Niarja, Uedama or elsewhere? Good for you. You like sitting at high sec gates for hours on end hoping for a good kill while paying good money for your time? Good for you.

I'm not telling you how to play this game. Don't you DARE tell me how to play it.

Get it yet?

Everyone who says we need to get into a player corp or be excessively limited I'd guess.

It does work for newbies. But many people join the NPC corps as PLEX alts (alts that are made on account that have the cost of a plex transferred to them every month so they can buy time for the account without having to fly 50,000 jumps to get one in Jita).

I've gone to the one-man corp. I've tried other corporation, but just about all of them are sh!t. I'm talking about the so called "leadership" (I use that term loosely, very loosely). I'd rather be in a corporation by myself than be in an established corporation with a douchrocket corp leader. All my mission taxes go to some POS operation costs and I never get to use the F'ing thing. I can keep my mission taxes and have an office, that I control, at a station that I frequent for missions. I like having full control over the hanger divisions so I can sort my salvage and whatnot. I don't understand why this feature is exclusive to the CEO/Officers. I never understood that, but ok, I'll run a corp to get that feature.

Now NPC corporations? They have 11% go to nothing. I'm not going into one of those. I'd just rather take the risk of being war decced out of nowhere for no reason. I have no problem cancelling my account and sitting it out for a few weeks until it blows over, then resub.

I think there should be a paradigm shift to small corporations and the Alliance becomes the new social orginization center. Exceptions for the older corporations, however.

This thread has literally descended into people screaming "you're playing the game wrong, my way is the only right way to play" and blatant trolling.

i can't believe that people are actually saying that people are saying that you have to go into player corps to play properly, in a sandbox game where there is no right or wrong way to play.

My suggestion is this, let people play however THEY want, and you play however YOU want, and everyone can be happy doing what they want in a game they are paying a monthly subscription to play.

finally we have got some ppl around can actually use their brain. gtfo with all whining noob. I'm actually in player corp and in 0.0, but the only reason cos its a lot easier to generate isk in 0.0. all who is whining about low risk high earning highsec just dont know what they are talking about. highsec actually becoming unplayable for casual players due to EXTREME LOW INCOME for all the **** they have to do there. When i dont have 0.0 acces, i just simply quit EVE and reactivate sub when i have it again. highsec actually have to be easier to earn. im not talking about higher income, but easier solutions that a simple casual f2p player can pay his plex and pvp-ships, and still have time to lose those pvp-ships. the main problem, and thats why most casual highsec player dont go to lowsec to die, cos they cant afford it. they dont have 10 alts to print isk, they have just one, and if you dont play 24/7, thats more of a job to grind ur plex than a game. (i know, pay for ur time in real cash... BS. i pay with my time)