Warfare & Tactics

Farmers will either switch to missions or leave. This is when the squids can make a comeback if they want to try and time it right.

They just move to the other side of the map and start farming Amarr systems. This is what happened when Minmatar took most of Amarr's systems and Caldari was doing well. We ended up with hoards of Minmatar alts farming Caldari systems.

That is what allowed the Gals to take back systems to the point of winning, because of the influx of Minmatar farmer alts. When Caldari had war zone control a few months ago it wasn't Gal plexers that brought them back it was Minmatar farmer alts.

Even if you start to get a upswing rolling like say what the Amarr managed to do, they still eventually get over run by the farmers from both Gal & Min. It's what you are seeing now in Amarr space. Even if Caldari start taking space back, it will end up with both Min & Gal farmers rolling in once they have nothing left in Amarr Space.

As long as it's easy to make LP's the farmers will not go anywhere. The LP's for plexing have to either be removed completely or they need to make equal payout no matter what side you are on and end the retardedness of the tier system.

The tier system never worked with ship hulls and we are finally getting that fixed, but for some reason CCP's brainstorming thought that a FW tier system would work..

The above will most likely happen. After that, Gal and Minnie LP/Isk ratio for racial items will tank to the point of worthless, while amarr/Caldari LP/isk ratio will rise for racial items. Some gal and Minnie corps will get bored and go to 0.0. Farmers will join amarr and Caldari because of the massive amount of plexes available and the good return on the racial items. The pendulum will then start to swing back the other way as the farming hoarde switches sides. This cycle will then repeat with nothing being able to stop the farmer hoarde.

I think part of the LP faucet created by CCP was to make faction navy ships more affordable. Performance-wise they ought to be less expensive than their T2 counterparts and finally that is what is happening.

Edit: Also, the map better reflects reality now than before. Right now Gallente dominate most of the time and they now dominate the map. Caldari are still strong in Eha, Rakapas, and OMS/Ladi and it shows. Farmers really only affect the under populated regions of the FW where nobody lives and there is likely nothing that can be done about that other than reduce the size of the map. But then people would complain that the map is too small. What'cha gonna do?

I don't know what the Squids are complaining about. They held all of Gallente space for six months, and there's absolutely no way they're going to be unable to take back at least one Caldari system before six months is over.

A) I did play when it was worse, I joined as a Nulli Pilot, and then swapped to mintar for the isk (was making 300-350m easy) but that got boring really quick so went back to Amarr after a short EVE break to get gfs

B)I am not worried about how much isk someone can make, but the poster I was replaying to was asking if someone could really make 150k+ LP an hour and make that much isk. I was just showing him the math that its really easy

C) You are right about Amarr Militia being able to do much better than we are now........ so many FW corps and alliances that think very differently, and lots of egos. Though Minnies have that too... there is an active war between two of your alliances in FW :-P

D) As long as we can hold T2 (almost doubtful once gal start plexing in amarr space) the isk is fine to fly faction fitted DD and welp them......I run 2 sets of missions a week, thats half a bill easy. Rest of my time is just that, welping DDs but damn, its the most fun ive had in EVE in a long time!

See you on the field
Tsobai

Not before CCP "balanced" NPCs by removing e-war but by then everybody and their mother already had a farming alt in Minmatar and they have since kept their farming superiority. It is a structural problem and will not likely change with current mechanics.

Well, to be fair, the Caldari faction battleships are slower to sell because the tasks they're used for most often don't get them blown up as much - they're premier PVE ships. Given that the Raven Navy is the premier missile boat for PVE, and the Scorpion Navy can field a passive shield tank second only to the Rattlesnake, there is demand for them for missioning ... and their prices are starting to rise. The Scorp bottomed out at about 220 million this summer, during the heyday of farming; it's already climbed by fifty percent since then, and since State Protectorate is the only source of Scorpion Navy ... well, time will tell.

Oh, and also, there's the little question of whether the Gallente's march is like the Russians heading for Berlin in 1945 ... or more like the Germans heading for Moscow in 1941. Time will tell with regard to that one as well.

Actually, no.

1. The LP value of the winning side won't go into freefall, that is because the items from the LP stores compete with those from non-FW LP stores (missions). That means if the wining side experiences an LP value drop, that will be an EVE-wide drop, and thus will affect all factions equally. At this time LP for winning factions is still worth at least 1,000 isk per LP.

2. The only item that doesn't have an FW alternative for the Amarr is the Navy Geddon. All other ships are available through alternative LP stores. The price of Slicers will never go above 35-40 million, because at that point the other (non-FW) LP stores become more attractive. The isk/effort for a winning faction is now 5 times as high as a losing faction. If LP stay worth 1,000 isk per LP at least, the losing faction would need to sell Slicers for 50 million each to get a similar return. As I explained above, this is never going to happen.

3. There is a limited demand or unique LP store items or faction ships. If a ship isn't generally very useful in the EVE meta-game, then there is only room in the market for a limited number. If these ships are the only profitable item in their FW store for the losing side, it means that too much supply and market saturation causes prices to stay low enough for them to not become a big enough incentive to gain LP in FW. As a sidenote, a Navy Geddon price would need to rise to about 900million isk for it becomes attractive to farm LP for Amarr instead of Minmatar.

4. Even if the LP gain from the losing side does deliver some value, it has to deliver *more* value than the opposing factions, otherwise people will simply join the winning factions as source of income.