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What's wrong with bumping?
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Lahnea
#1 - 2012-12-21 20:17:27 UTC
Hi there,

I've often seen people talking about bumping freighters or titans etc. and getting really mad over it. I'm watching a youtube vid right now where the guy says these frigs will be podded if they bump the titan.

What's wrong with bumping it? It'll move a little. So what? Not sure I understand the fuss behind it.

Sorry if this thread is in the wrong place, not sure where else it could go. It's not a discussion specific to anything as far as I know.
The PiMan Eatme
Public Haulage And Trade
#2 - 2012-12-21 20:22:41 UTC
Bumping a freighter is a way of stopping it warping until extra alpha can arrive to gank it, the reason people say bump the Titan and you die is its quite easy for a spy alt to bump a Titan out of POS shield far enough for a ship in local to decloak, light a cyno and hotdrop it.
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-21 20:22:57 UTC
This thread is going places.


On the off chance that you are asking a real question: ask yourself- how does someone jump? First they have to align. How hard is it to align if you have been bumped? You aren't going anywhere, no points needed to hold that sucker in place. There are actually ways to avoid getting bumped. but they require a couple scouts with webs, warp in at 100km, take a peek, warp out, you know, actively paying attention and stuff.

If you are referring to miner bumping- they end up getting knocked out of laser range, meaning they can't mine. Ask James 315 about it, I'm sure he'd be happy to explain the details:)

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Rengerel en Distel
#4 - 2012-12-21 20:23:39 UTC
Try to warp away from a gate with someone bumping you.
Try to dock at a station with someone bumping you out of docking range.
Try and mine with someone bumping you out of mining range.

Etc. Now think about how you can stop them ...

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-12-21 20:24:27 UTC
Misaligning a friendly titan(not an agile ship) and therefore increasing the risk of it getting tackled and hotdropped is an automatic death sentence and a well earned one at that.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#6 - 2012-12-21 20:25:14 UTC
Aligning in EVE is all about speed and the direction of that speed, not the direction the ship is facing.

Bumping throws off this direction vector.

If done the right way it can actually help aligning by 99% of the time it **** with aligning.

In the case of bumping miners it's possible to bump them far enough that fall out of mining range.

The Drake is a Lie
Lahnea
#7 - 2012-12-21 20:25:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Lahnea
Sarmea Moon wrote:
This thread is going places.


On the off chance that you are asking a real question: ask yourself- how does someone jump? First they have to align. How hard is it to align if you have been bumped? You aren't going anywhere, no points needed to hold that sucker in place. There are actually ways to avoid getting bumped. but they require a couple scouts with webs, warp in at 100km, take a peek, warp out, you know, actively paying attention and stuff.

If you are referring to miner bumping- they end up getting knocked out of laser range, meaning they can't mine. Ask James 315 about it, I'm sure he'd be happy to explain the details:)


I am asking genuinely, if that's what your trying to say. I knew about bumping miners out of range, but generally I don't see Titans fit for mining. Freighters neither.

Stopping warp makes sense, but how could something bump a titan all the way out of a shield? Surely it could just turn round and fly back in?
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-12-21 20:26:14 UTC
Bumping a super cap is a kill-worthy offense in pretty much any alliance capable of fielding them. When you're piloting something worth 50 billion ISK (and more) it's just not worth the risk to let people bump you all over the place.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#9 - 2012-12-21 20:28:40 UTC
Lahnea wrote:
What's wrong with bumping?
Nothing.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#10 - 2012-12-21 20:33:20 UTC
In regards to bumping a Titan it's hard enough to get an entire fleet close enough to a Titan to be able to use it's jump bridge when activated. Try doing that when it's being bumped, and then more pilots bump it while trying to squeeze back into range.

You can waste an awful lot of time messing with that, hot drop situations aside.

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#11 - 2012-12-21 20:37:56 UTC
With enough force you can bump a titan into moving faster than the titan can move on it's own.

The titan would take twice the time to get back into the shield than it took to bump it out, and that's not even factoring in the time it takes for a titan to slow down from the bump and reverse direction.

The Drake is a Lie
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#12 - 2012-12-21 20:39:48 UTC
Titans need some kind of Supercapital MWD... that would make for hilarious bumping.

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Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#13 - 2012-12-21 20:40:56 UTC
Bumping: CCP approved. More importantly, I approve of bumping too.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#14 - 2012-12-21 21:00:00 UTC
Bumping supers and such gets you instantly primaried as you're putting a 80bn isk alliance asset at risk through either idiocy or lack of skill. Either way it won't end well for you.

Bumping freighters and such is what people do to avoid getting aggression by using warp disruptors. It's basically taking advantage of the game mechanics not knowing if a bump is a "hostile act" (and as such responded to by Concord) or not.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-12-21 21:02:57 UTC
New Eden's medical insurance doesn't cover whiplash... they consider it an injury only primitives get Straight

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2012-12-21 21:12:59 UTC
What's wrong with bumping you ask ?

It's stupid.

And badly embarrassing to explain to other non-EVE Gamers.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-21 21:19:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Some Rando
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
And badly embarrassing to explain to other non-EVE Gamers.

Non-EVE gamers don't matter.

Also, nothing is wrong with bumping in a PvP game like EVE.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Ginger Barbarella
#18 - 2012-12-21 21:27:57 UTC
Anything sub-BS-sized should immediately blow up if bumping a cap. That would be awesome. Think egg hitting pavement from 50 feet up.

Bumping miners seems just annoying. Which is why miners SHOULD gang up and pop the bumpers. Getting ganked every time you show up in a belt to bump someone would be sweet. :) Just use and recycle alts like the gankers do.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#19 - 2012-12-21 21:28:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Some Rando wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
And badly embarrassing to explain to other non-EVE Gamers.

Non-EVE gamers don't matter.

Also, nothing is wrong with bumping in a PvP game like EVE.



It's still stupid. Nothing has changed after your comment. It didn't fix that.



edit: A correct staement though is : Nothing is gained from bumping in a PVP game like EVE.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-12-21 21:30:47 UTC
Even the basic EVE-keyboard knows this.
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