Player Features and Ideas Discussion

While actually AFK, you can't do a damn thing to anybody else, so it's not fair others can easily do something to you if you took even the slightest of precautions while remaining AFK.
It is unfair that you get an advantage over a person who logged off instead of going AFK-cloaky when you both return, so THAT is the only thing that needs to be addressed.
AFK cloaking should be made as close as possible to actually logging off. Or conversely, logging off should be made as close as possible to AFK cloaking.


To make you afraid of them being there, even if you shouldn't.
Which they can't do if you can't see them at all.

Of course, there's also LEGITIMATE non-evil reasons to go AFK instead of logging off, and nobody should be punished nor rewarded for picking one above the other.

none of what I propose disrupts any of that! what it does do is eliminates the chances of a player deciding to go AFK

Why ?
I get that it should not be rewarded, I completely agree, and my proposal actually DOES remove that reward.
No, seriously, WHY should going AFK be punished in any way, shape or form ? Why is your proposal even NECESSARY ?

for the same reason CCP frowns upon AFK players

Let's see...somebody could call me do something fast, and I expect to be back in a few minutes or even seconds, and I don't want to lose the fleet position or other open stuff I might have that does not remain as such when I log off and log back on, but then those few minutes turn into many minutes or even several hours. Or maybe you're just watching a gate gathering intel about inbounds and only look at the window whenever you hear the WHOOSH. Or maybe you just don't like logging off because it takes too long to log back on on your machine. Or any other number of things where being mostly AFK is perfectly reasonable.


CCP frowns upon AFK players getting something profitable done just as well or even better than somebody that stays ATK.
A cloaked ship by design can do nothing except observe and move around inside a system. Which is the only purpose for cloaks existing in the first place. There's no direct profit to be made while cloaked, be it ATK or AFK. CCP has absolutely nothing against AFK cloakers as long as they remain AFK.

Really ? Because the "leave for 5 minutes and stay away for 3 hours" sure does sound like it would.

I would expect to remain safe as long as I am docked myself.
Same way I would expect to be almost completely safe cloaked in a random safespot, the only chance of not being safe relying on a freak accident with practically zero chance of happening.

Sigh...



Also, again, it is unfair that you get different treatment from a person who logged off instead of going AFK-cloaky when you both return, so THAT is the only thing that needs to be addressed, and something my proposal ACTUALLY ADDRESSES, while yours does not.

I give up trying to discuss this with you in here now because we've had this topic beaten so many times on these forums, it sickens me when the same old misconceptions just won't stay dead as a good horse should, and I am nauseated by reframing fallacious arguments.
The only problem with AFK cloaking is when an AFK cloaker returns, not with him remaining AFK. Attempting to address the AFK part is pointless and counterproductive, since CCP will never care about your argument. If you want to do something that has any chances, address the ADVANTAGE AT RETURN and nothing else.
I've said all that needed to be said, feel free to go back and re-read it.

Wow!.... Just wow!

Actually for the most part you’re just trying to justify playing eve while AFK! The whole point of eve is to play! Why do you think CCP have tried so hard to eliminate the AFK players! When I ask you why players engage in these tactics it’s not always done just to annoy others! There’s a lot of isk to be made while doing so!