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[Coreli Press Statement] Regarding Evaulon VII and Rilnais

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Anslo
Scope Works
#21 - 2012-12-21 14:24:41 UTC
Says the guy who just glassed an entire city. You're such a hypocritical jerk that it irks me more than anything.

There were a few people I really hated most and wanted dead before you came along...but now I kinda wanna see you dead first.

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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#22 - 2012-12-21 14:34:25 UTC
Tsavu Irika wrote:
I reserve strong language for personal acquaintanes, and this is a habit I do not intend to breach - The attack on Rilnais was an unwarranted reprisal, the act of a thief, caught red-handed, lashing out against his victim rather than testing his mettle against those who would stay his hand. Blatant acts of violence against nonhostile civilian populations do not warrant overwhelming suppression. You laid your money on the thought that no one would care about the surface of some little world in low security space, and the capsuleers proved you wrong. You attempt to shift blame for your actions, stating that others forced your hand; However, I have only this to say: Only a weak hand is easily forced.

I speak not for my corporation, but for myself, and only hope that I may be confident in receiving their backing in regards to this incident.


Our records show your corporation as being complicit in the act. You were present and fighting on the same side as the Serpentis, whether this be for money or for ideology.

It is a bit late to step back now. Own what you are.
Tsavu Irika
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-12-21 14:47:40 UTC
The record also states that we have terminated our contracts with the Serpentis, and Coreli Corporation.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#24 - 2012-12-21 15:03:02 UTC
Tsavu Irika wrote:
The record also states that we have terminated our contracts with the Serpentis, and Coreli Corporation.


You terminated your contracts with the Serpentis prior to being hired by the during the very attack you are talking about.

If you had terminated any contracts you had with the Coreli Corporation, I was not aware of it, as no official annoucement has been made.
Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-12-21 15:20:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Grideris
For the most part, I echo what Andreus said. But I thought I might add that you sound more ridiculous than some of the Sansha Citizens. You're doing this for the good of the citizens on the planet below? So far, the only entity that has seen any benefit from your actions is corporation wallet for the Serpentis Corporation.

Hulemand wrote:
we attacked the planet of Evaulon VII in order to get the Isirus Poppy, much needed for our beneficial research saving millions of lifes, both in space and on planets.


Really? Saving lives? Because last time I checked, every single poppy taken was manufactured into narcotic substances. An example would be the drugs that a very smug Gist Domnations Warlord was smoking when they visited The Summit recently. To quote, they were "Just enjoying the ashes of Rilnais". I don't understand how you can possibly lie like that. I'm honestly torn between just laughing at you, or being insulted that you think that anyone is stupid and ignorant enough to believe you.

Hulemand wrote:
Second, we wanted to show you, the citizens of the Federation, that your leaders, the elite, do not care about you.


Well to be honest, you really shot yourself in the foot here. Most people would think that those that donate aid would rank above those who would burn a city from orbit on the "care about us" scale.

Hulemand wrote:
After the attack, your government called out to the very same capsuleers, of which most had already lost millions of ISK in the attempt to defend the planet, for support and aid.

It would take the federation almost three weeks to get the life important aid to the system, and then they didn’t even want to pay for it themselves.


Of course they called out for aid and support. The scale of destruction you left in your wake after your hostile acquisition was enormous. However, what you seem to have forgotten is that the donations didn't only come from capsuleers. The total amount of material moved exceeded what we donated, and continued to grow after they stopped accepting donations from capsuleers. And that's before you take into account FERO's efforts.

As for your "three weeks":
Hulemand wrote:
Could the mighty federation, if unable to defend its planets, not at least get aid to the remains faster than this?


As it turns out, they did. Anderes mentioned that they were shipping items into the system the day after the foundation was established. Not to mention that on 08/12 (5 days after the foundation started) at least half of the inventory at the time (about 1.3 million cubic metres) was already on the surface of the planet. And again, that's not taking into account FERO who were on the ground as soon as it was humanly possible, mere hours after the city was flattened.

Hulemand wrote:
To make our statement clear, Coreli Forces aided by mercenaries attacked and destroyed the custom office above Evaulon VII, which would hinder the much needed aid from coming down to the planet.


The customs office you refer to was deployed as part of Operation Stellar Shelter. There was already unrestricted access offered via the customs office, an offer the assisting organisations were taking advantage of. Even with it's destruction, aid will continue to reach the surface - the Navy has it's own means of surface delivery. Heck, the offer of unrestricted access was available to everyone. So why did you attack it?

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Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-12-21 15:20:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Grideris
Hulemand wrote:
We are however not monsters, and the remaining people in the city have already suffered enough. Therefore we have put in place a brand new custom office belonging to Coreli Corporation, removed all taxation for using it services, and thus we will allow all aid to get safely down to the surface.


So that's why you attacked it. So that you might stick your own office up and try and show some token effort at being the good guys. Even with the tax free access, I wouldn't want to risk running though it while it's under your control. Who knows what could go missing while transiting the POCO, or worse, gets added.

Hulemand wrote:
We have no hostility towards you, the citizens of the Federation, it is your leaders, the elite, we fight against.


I think Thoun summed it up quite nicely. You say you have no hostility towards the Federation's citizens, and yet you just burned a quarter of a million of them and their city. The fact that you can actually function with that degree of cognitive dissonance is astounding. This is the sort of thing I expect to see from a True Slave, not someone still in control of their mind. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if this post was an indication that you’ve taken one too many of your own drugs. If any kids are reading this, this is why illegal narcotics are illegal.

I think I might go sit down for a little while now. Trying to comprehend such stupidity takes it's toll.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-12-21 18:21:51 UTC
Oh, man, I haven't seen a press release that backfired this disastrously since I announced I was going to declare war on Naqam four years ago. Congratulations, Hulemand, there's putting your foot in your mouth and shooting yourself in it, but you've combined the two and blown your brains out while trying to gnaw through your shoe.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#28 - 2012-12-21 19:13:39 UTC
Tykari wrote:
Yet you did not hesitate to bombard Rilnais into oblivion just to prove a point and because you could. Serpentis representatives showed not a single shred of remorse because they were "forced" to do it. They relished it, enjoyed it. Maybe you yourself still had some reluctance but those who you hold allegiance to did not.

We were never forced, we were asked to provide space and ground support for Serpentis and we did. There's is no joy to be found in destroying cities from orbit, its simply business. Next time Serpentis makes a request people will think twice about refusing it.

Bataav wrote:
Coreli's intended audience might have more chance of believing their lies of benevolence, if their efforts weren't entitled "Burn Placid" as evidenced on their own Galnet portal.

Do the leadership of Coreli seriously think people are going to accept a single customs office undoes the massive damage they took part in inflicting on a civilian population?

Citizens of Placid have nothing to fear from us, our campaign is focused on capsuleers in the region. Of course, next time Serpentis demands something it would be wise for locals to oblige.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
that my fleet brought to the Evaulon system

Hahahaha.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
but I'm certainly more inclined to believe him than a corporation whose best contribution to an interdiction effort was a Crusader and a poorly-fitted Wolf.

We were gonna bring a single thorax but felt fielding an identical fleet setup to Mixed Metaphor would not give you anything to complain about and our anti-station battlecruisers felt dated.

Thoun Gaterau wrote:
...

Shouldn't you be out and about convincing the world your precious tripwire defense grid isn't a myth?

The Coreli Corporation is recruiting.

Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#29 - 2012-12-21 19:13:52 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
If you had terminated any contracts you had with the Coreli Corporation, I was not aware of it, as no official annoucement has been made.

We may have left out Kobro Division's intention to bomb the city when we hired them, they were less then amused.

Grideris wrote:
Really? Saving lives? Because last time I checked, every single poppy taken was manufactured into narcotic substances. An example would be the drugs that a very smug Gist Domnations Warlord was smoking when they visited The Summit recently. To quote, they were "Just enjoying the ashes of Rilnais". I don't understand how you can possibly lie like that. I'm honestly torn between just laughing at you, or being insulted that you think that anyone is stupid and ignorant enough to believe you.

We're quite certain that even in its narcotic form the Isirus Poppy should provide valuable research data. Remember, first generation combat boosters were also based on properties found in various narcotics substances, who knows what studying the Isirus Poppy will lead to.

The Coreli Corporation is recruiting.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-12-21 19:36:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Oh man, Joshua. I'm so glad your corporation makes drugs and not Damage Control units. I think your corporation has given me the best laugh I've had this year. Never change. You realise literally no-one is taking your side, right? You realise that literally no-one believes your spin on the story? Not the Federal capsuleers and citizens you're trying to reach out to, not the enemies of the Federation, not CFC, not even your own supposed allies. Even the people who came into this thread purely for the purpose of attacking the Federation aren't defending you.

Yeah, my fleet brought four freighter loads of aid supplies to Rilnais, which you - and I mean you personally - followed in a Crusader nearly the entire way from Stacmon to Orvolle. One of our Anshars had a drive failure that got it stuck in an asteroid belt for literally fifteen minutes - which, hilariously, was one jump after you gave up on tailing us. According to the Anshar pilots themselves, one Goonswarm pilot put them in more danger for ten seconds than your entire organisation did for the entire duration of the operation.

And yeah, I brought one Thorax to the operation. With only two hours notice and not a single other member of my corporation's seven-pilot roster online, I managed to assemble an escort fleet your fifty-pilot alliance was unwilling to engage without two other alliances holding your hands. Even when you did, you only managed to kill an immobile Falcon that only had point-defence weaponry. And all of your shots missed!

You are literally the least competent pirates I've ever seen, and I used to run Heretic Army's logistical division.

No, let me rephrase that: you are so bad you make me look competent.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#31 - 2012-12-21 21:26:59 UTC
I was going to comment on the hypocracy, the malevolence, the greed, the idiocy. I find that the estimable Mr. Ixiris has done a far better job than I could hope, however.

Capsule dimentia has you, Mr. Foiritain. Get help.
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-12-21 23:41:41 UTC
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
Citizens of Placid have nothing to fear from us, our campaign is focused on capsuleers in the region. Of course, next time Serpentis demands something it would be wise for locals to oblige.


You should have said this from the start. Plain classical blackmail, at least you are clear and sincere about it. So now you run planet-wide protection rackets, that's good to know. And certainly far from "we did it for your own good", you should have said "we did it for our own profit", and that would have been clear and sincere. Not this load of **** you've been trying to sell.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#33 - 2012-12-22 02:05:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Joshua Foiritain
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You realise literally no-one is taking your side, right?

I'm sorry we don't subscribe to the Intergalactic Summit's imaginary code of conduct but i imagine by our past actions -such as clobbering the IGS' favorite entity, our various press releases and our space based activities- should impress on the IGS' most frequent visitors that we have very little interest in their opinion. The IGS is simply a news outlet to us.

You are part of the uneducated, short sighted masses that comment on ongoing news events you are unable to comprehend. Make no mistake; we do not judge or dimiss you for this, it is simply how media works within the Federation and years of exposure have left you incapable of anything other then emotional kneejerk reactions.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Yeah, my fleet brought four freighter loads of aid supplies to Rilnais, which you - and I mean you personally - followed in a Crusader nearly the entire way from Stacmon to Orvolle. One of our Anshars had a drive failure that got it stuck in an asteroid belt for literally fifteen minutes - which, hilariously, was one jump after you gave up on tailing us. According to the Anshar pilots themselves, one Goonswarm pilot put them in more danger for ten seconds than your entire organisation did for the entire duration of the operation.

And yeah, I brought one Thorax to the operation. With only two hours notice and not a single other member of my corporation's seven-pilot roster online, I managed to assemble an escort fleet your fifty-pilot alliance was unwilling to engage without two other alliances holding your hands. Even when you did, you only managed to kill an immobile Falcon that only had point-defence weaponry.

I indeed followed “your” fleet through high security space in my (most polished) crusader. My primary interest was following the jump freighters to see where they were going. When we heard the Snuffbox Corporation was heading to intercept “your” fleet we coordinated our efforts with them. Initially they wanted to ambush “your” fleet in Odamia but choose to let “your”fleet live in hopes of catching the jump freighters. Both snuffbox and us assumed you would match the Federation's level of incompetence and would choose to jump the freighters into orbit of the planet.

While Coreli has no standing orders (or any reason) to interdict support missions to Relnais we do of course maintain an interest in all major operations in Placid and felt inclined to investigate what the remaining ~100.000 m3 of cargo space aboard the Combined Harvest freighters was used for.

“Your” fleet of course matched our target criteria perfectly but ran at the first sight of opposition.

As for the stranded freighter; we do not quite match the firepower CONCORD can bring to the field so the concept of attacking a ship in high security space strikes me as flat out stupid. Once we realized “your” fleet would be heading towards Orvolle Coreli pilots were ordered to head towards the fleet rendezvous in Odamia. (By the way; there's a ship class called Covert Ops ships)

Finally; We had ~15 minutes to assemble our forces and all four of our pilots that were active in Placid at the time managed to attend.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
And all of your shots missed!

They unfortunately did. Turns out when you're going +5km's at close range lasers don't actually track stationary cruiser sized targets that well. I suppose i should stick to autocannons and blasters if i want i impress you.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You are literally the least competent pirates I've ever seen, and I used to run Heretic Army's logistical division.

I guess this is an insult but i have no idea what a Heretic's Army is.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
No, let me rephrase that: you are so bad you make me look competent.

I'm glad my incompetence is enough to offset your self proclaimed lack of competence. Have you considered using combat boosters to elevate your performance to that of the average pilot? I've heard Ostingele is the place to look for such items.

The Coreli Corporation is recruiting.

Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#34 - 2012-12-22 02:05:59 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
You should have said this from the start. Plain classical blackmail, at least you are clear and sincere about it. So now you run planet-wide protection rackets, that's good to know. And certainly far from "we did it for your own good", you should have said "we did it for our own profit", and that would have been clear and sincere. Not this load of **** you've been trying to sell.

Blackmail is generally used in private; some form of leverage is shown to a target to in order to get said target to cooperate. Serpentis nuked a city to show that the Federation is powerless to stop them; this is more in the range of intimidation.

Our earlier statements still stand.

The Coreli Corporation is recruiting.

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-12-22 02:54:06 UTC
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
Blackmail is generally used in private; some form of leverage is shown to a target to in order to get said target to cooperate. Serpentis nuked a city to show that the Federation is powerless to stop them; this is more in the range of intimidation.


Your words are clear: generally. Using leverage over anotherone, be it the threat of revealing hidden information, attacking a city, or whatever kind of threat, is the same blackmail. As such, intimidation is just one of the many tools that can be used to force anotherone into taking the stance you want.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-12-22 03:07:56 UTC
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
should impress on the IGS' most frequent visitors that we have very little interest in their opinion


Joshua, you can't do any great number of things well, but I think your least distinguished talent is mendacity. A casual glance at your general standard of behaviour on the IGS indicates you're veritably obsessed with the IGS' opinion of your corporation. If you weren't, you wouldn't feel the need to make ostentatious and factually incorrect press releases, nor rush to defend them when people inevitably poke holes in them. People who don't, on some level, care about the opinion of the IGS don't post on the IGS, Joshua. They certainly don't indulge in perverse emotional theatrics as grandiose as yours when people call you on your nonsense?

Joshua Foiritain wrote:
It is simply how media works within the Federation and years of exposure have left you incapable of anything other then emotional kneejerk reactions.


Lol

Joshua Foiritain wrote:
I indeed followed “your” fleet through high security space in my (most polished) crusader. My primary interest was following the jump freighters to see where they were going. When we heard the Snuffbox Corporation was heading to intercept “your” fleet we coordinated our efforts with them. Initially they wanted to ambush “your” fleet in Odamia but choose to let “your”fleet live in hopes of catching the jump freighters. Both snuffbox and us assumed you would match the Federation's level of incompetence and would choose to jump the freighters into orbit of the planet.


So what you're saying is you lack the imagination to comprehend that the ineptitude of other operational commanders may not be as fundamental as your own. You posit that your entire assault plan hinged around the assumption that I'd jump assets totalling several tens of billions of ISK into unsafe space without a safe staging point, and then you honestly try to cast aspersions as to my strategic ability? Are you ****ing serious? Big smile

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#37 - 2012-12-22 08:37:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Akrasjel Lanate
Joshua Foiritain wrote:

“Your” fleet of course matched our target criteria perfectly but ran at the first sight of opposition.


"Our" fleet was doing a simple escort mission, it goal was not to engage no one if they wasn't a threat to the escorted Anshar jump freighters.

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Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#38 - 2012-12-22 11:18:18 UTC
You know, myself along with pilots from EL-G put that initial Villore Accords customs gantry up. It, too, had a 0% tax rate to facilitate redevelopment.

So, tell me why you destroyed it if you wanted to assist the Rilnaisians?
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-12-22 20:19:23 UTC
You know, one time I was talking to The Mittani, who was recruiting me for a job that he needed done. He told me, before describing the assignment, "You may think I'm a horrible person for this; I am not sorry." We all act in our own best interest, period. Stop pretending that you did this for the people of the Federation. Stop pretending that you had anyone else's well-being in mind. The Serpentis killed a whole bunch of helpless-I will not go so far as to call them innocent-people for their own selfish goals. Furthermore, they did not need to kill these people. The attack was stupid. Any intelligent person would admit their mistake and move on, instead you attempt this farce. Cripes.

On a side note, this has been a very interesting read. I encourage you all to keep it up!

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"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

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Launette Vylier
Serpentis Corporation
Serpentis
#40 - 2012-12-22 20:58:44 UTC

What's all this talk is about "humanitarian causes" and "the good of the Federation".

We did this for the product, the end result of which is a huge pile of Kredits that are still rolling in.

Every person who was part of our fleet, whether they were Anshar Incorporated or Coreli Corporation, was explicity told that we were going in for Isirus, were going to level anything in our way, and then glass the city as a message to the Federation after they screwed up our first attempt. No one backed out.

I'm starting to think a few people over there in lowsec need to man up and grow some backbone.

To hell with the Federation.