Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Flag everyone entering a deadspace plex as a suspect, problem solved.

That includes people in non-FW plexes. How does concord know you are going into the Angel Red Light District to blow it up and not to relax and enjoy yourself? Seems awfully suspicious to me.

It also changes how you mentally perceive targets when you realize your security status is going to drop anyways due to having to out-pirate the pirates. Eventually you know you will be red anyways, so shooting anything that moves tends to be encouraged. At least from my experience, maybe people have better morals.

all the more reason to flag everyone in a plex as suspect as Michael Harari suggested. makes perfect sense.

What about someone running a mission? What about someone in a belt? What about someone just sitting on a gate.... don't they represent the same threat to you? Should we now just flag everyone in lowsec as suspect?

I don't think you've thought this through, and don't support your solution...

There are actually two separate conceptual problems being talked about here, though both are special cases of the general lowsec self defence problem, which is really one of the bigger reasons lowsec is underpopulated: It's not that lowsec requires self-defence, it's that living in lowsec drags your security status down and makes logistics a pain even when you don't mind the self defence. If your goals in lowsec do not include actively seeking out people to kill, even if you don't have a problem with doing it, lowsec is suboptimal.

The FW plex sub-problem is neatly solved by bestowing a suspect flag on neutrals entering a FW plex for the simple reason that neutrals can not, in any circumstances, affect the plex timer, and there are no rats in there anymore, except the first one which a FW plexer has probably killed already. I.e. they very definitely warped into the plex to shoot at people, so might as well make this official. Solving that one specific case of the general problem will help, but won't solve the general problem.

Mission space doesn't offer such a simple conclusion, (What about your mates who came to help you and for one reason or another aren't in a fleet with you? What about a ninja salvager who doesn't steal the loot?) and belts are even more, so to speak, "public space". Eve combat definitely offers advantages to someone who activates offensive modules first, as that player gets to decide at which range combat starts. You either have to give everyone you meet in lowsec the benefit of a doubt, and suffer reduced chances of winning in otherwise equal situations for it, or you have to shoot first and lose sec status. If you can't give others the benefit of a doubt, you can't coexist with other people not explicitly hunting you, which means that PVE in lowsec is impractical, which makes any activity other than explicit PVP for the sake of PVP impractical.

The concept of a suspect flag improved the situation somewhat, because it, at the very least, allows the possibility of a 'citizen arrest', so to speak, but it still did not solve the problem itself, someone still has to get shot first. I'm not sure I have an idea for a general solution, and it might not even be possible in theory, but the problem does exist.

...Now I'm going to get yelled at. :)

simply DO NOT let neutrals enter FW plexs.
maybe make some BS excuse about how they are unaligned in the war effort they have been dissallowed to join the stageing area.

If a neutral attacks a FW member illegally, they get a suspect flag allowing anyone, not just FW members, to shoot at them already, both in high and low sec. Since it's only legal to shoot FW members if you're in FW yourself or if you're in a wardec with a FW corp, asking for more in that respect would be kinda odd. :)

I agree with the op. Either give neutrals a suspect flag for entering a FW plex, or ban them from entering.

..and novice plexes should be t1 non faction non pirate hulls only.

FW is supposed to be more accessible pvp, and instead it's turned into duck and run LP farming.

The new Suspect System is good in my opinion, and I firmly believe that all Gated Complexes should automatically bestow "Suspect" to anyone who is not in Faction Warfare.

These are suppose to be Military Installations, there is only one reason why anyone enters these things ... to get a fight.
Neutrals can't run down the timers and earn Loyalty Points, you're going to go Criminal anyway - so there is no big deal.

This said, something I would also like to see would be that becoming Suspect within a given Faction space also comes with a small hit to Faction Standings. Should a Pirate (or would be Pirate) kill a member of that Factions Militia, then they recieve a bigger standings hit ... in-fact this would be the same hit we take when we kill the enemy, which can be quite considerable depending on the rank of the person you kill.

Now it might not be a big deal to get such hits, but I still firmly believe Docking Rights should extend to Neutrals based upon their Standings with a given Faction (not just limited to Faction Warfare) - I also firmly believe their should expand outside of the Warzone to cover all of a given Factions Sovereignty.

I also firmly agree that Novice Complexes should be accessible by Rookie Hulls, and should NOT include Faction unless Tech 2 is also supported. Actually have an idea for the Rookie Hulls but will make a new thread about it.

Don't you know that FW ppl are special snowflakes and rules that govern the rest of us shouldn't apply to them?