Missions & Complexes

Lets assume you are doing upgraded anoms or have a high sec incursion alt. 100-120 m/hr. So for single fitted fleet ship (as you said it, 250 hull and another 150-200 mil for fittings, because all coo kids pvp in faction fits these days) you need 3 to 4 hours of bearing. Currently 00 is quiet. But in time of wars I remember friends who could lose several fleet fit ships in a week (or in a evening if its hectic fight).

After battleship tiericide T2 fit BS of any tier will cost ~350 mil. That is still 3 hours of any best isk grind in the game. And if your alliance doctrine calls for faction fit T3s and navy battleships...

That is a lot of hours spent bearing. Even if you are doing it on a alt in safety you will still have to PLEX the alt adding another 4 hours of farm each month just for sustaining your farming ability.

Other than C3+ holes you are not topping those numbers, and for raw isk income there is nothing above those. Trading and scamming not included ofc.



Now imagine some poor kid trying to fit a T2 fit T1 cruiser for PVP while doing L2 or L3 missions. 3-4 hours of grind for a single ship. A hour for a T2 fit Rifter.







And then be a smart-ass and whine about people being too risk averse.

The number ONE reason of getting killed in HS as a mission runner is insufficient skills trained. Pilots getting into a too expensive ship too early leads to loss mails and frustrated pilots who will leave the game. I think CCP has the balance right were it now takes just a little bit longer to upgrade to a bigger ship.

ALSO, remember, bigger does not mean better in EVE (something that is easily overlooked espcially by new pilots).

The addition of the Venture has made it actually VERY easy to make sufficient isk to support at least cruiser level ships. After doing ALL tutorials and mining just for a little bit each night, a new pilot should easily have 20 - 30 millions in his wallet after just one week.

B.

I dont think it's a problem.

I started a new toon a few weeks ago.

After running all the training missions she had banked 12mil pluse payed for all skill books/fitings and had more then a few frigs destoryers hanging around as well as a few Indy ships for hualing.

I have never seen it so good starting out a new toon before. Did not even have to send her isk.

I think part of the problem--- and this is just the highsec carebear in me talking, not the lowsec missioner/exploration/FW guy--- is the proliferation of blitz missioning strategy. Blitzing may very well get more missions under your belt quicker, and that leads to better faction standing (let's face it, noobs don't know now to effectively convert LP to isk, so we'll ignore that for now), but there's a lot that is missed out. For starters, salvage, even in L1's, can lead to building rigs for more isk, and it really doesn't take a whole lot of skill to build some of the items that sell good everywhere. Also, loot drops may not be as elegant and brag-worthy of taking out a Revenant with your TEST or Goonie buds and splitting the haul, but it does get you isk in short order.

The OPs example--- a noob paying for a cruiser--- is very easy to get to in one short afternoon of L1 or L2 missions. We're not talking T2 fits on T2 ships, but the OP's example of a cruiser. It's very do-able. OP should stop complaining (hint: his post is apparently a not-so-subtle attempt at a "buff missioning" thread) and offer suggestions.

Any noobs about there want a max-run rig BPC to help them get isk coming in from their salvaging? Drop me a line in-game: I'll give you one free.

Oh Look! Bittervets familiar with the ways of the isk moaning about noobs making easy isk. Clearly, noobs all know how to maximize isk/hr, as opposed to spending a hour figuring out the hud.

Why isn't that 1 month old infant pooping properly? It's so easy! *lays a big one*