Warfare & Tactics

Cory, I was there. All I'd ever hear on comes was, "i got a blue Templis attacking me on gate" atleast once a day. And Swear kicking us out....lol.. They didn't wipe us out. its called leave alliance. NSE just went back to high sec for there lvl 4 missions and getting bumped in the belts.

There are more fights now with the changes than there were before. So, FW is still about fights - if that's what you want to make of it. Your corporation lived in high sec anyways, so what's the difference now?

Again, inb4 Mutnin logs in and plays game.

It's all frig fights and the occasional cruisers now inside plexes, this is why I'm not a fan of the Sov War. It's taken away the variety of PVP in FW as there is little to no reason to undock anything bigger than a frig or dessie.

I've always been a fan of BC's with the occasional cruiser here or there. Even looking at Gal killboard it took til page 5 just to see a BC kill, when I just looked.

Yes frigs can be fun, but there simply isn't the variety that we used to have now that all the fighting is focused around plexes., because the majority of the plexs are Novice to Med, so it's pretty much made BC's obsolete. When was the last time Cal & Gal had an actual decent sized scrap with BC's like we used to have almost daily? If not several times a day.

Look at the kill difference from a year ago on the Gal killboard.

In Dec 20011 there were 796 BC kills, there was 299 BS kills. Meanwhile there was only 633 frigs & 350 Dessies. This was fairly balanced across the board a reasonable mix & a variety of ships used/killed.

Now advance 1 year to Dec 2012

439 BC kills, 136 BS kills & 1800 frig kills as well as 1000 dessie kills.

The changes while they might have provided for much more PVP, in doing that they have drastically limited the variety of PVP happening.

I know, CCP really were biased against Caldari when timezones outside of the 2hr downtime window were able to affect sov.

And then, CCP allowed players attacking in Caldari plexes to be able to lock other players, and toned down the omgwtfbbq missile spam and made all plexes have the same easy rat spawns so they could pvp.

And as a result - the Caldari gave up because of the obvious Gallente bias. Except, for the second day in a row Caldari have netted more VP.

Reality - you should look into it sometime.

Fair point, perhaps having a more large plexes spawn in systems would be good, too often you only see mediums and below.

No offense but you are slinging just as much BS as you claim Caldari do. It was never Gal PVP alts that flipped the war zone control in favor of Gal Mil. It was the hoards of Minmatar farm alts that had no more plexes to run in Minmatar/Amarr space.

Even if it were Gal PVP alts just in Minmatar Militia they were still usually always stabbed & gun-less incursus or Merlins. No one but the very hardcore in Gal Militia were running plexes because you guys were getting nothing in pay just like Caldari is getting now.

The only people that were doing plexes in mass that allowed systems to be flipped was Minmatar farm alts. All you have to do is look to the Caldari kill stats back around June and see all the KM's of Minmatars.

Notice how in May there are hardly any Minmatar frig kills by Caldai?

May
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=1295&m=5&y=2012&scl_id=4

Now move on to June..
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=1295&m=6&y=2012&scl_id=4

July
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=1295&m=7&y=2012&scl_id=4

August
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=1295&m=8&y=2012&scl_id=4


It wasn't Gal PVPers running those plexes...It was Minmatar farmville alts, because they ran out of systems to farms in Amarr space. Why is it do you think Caldari sent guys down to Amarr space? Why because we saw the massive influx of Minmatar farm alts and realized the only was to curb them was to help Amarr get space back.


It was never Gal Mil alts doing the plexing until the farmville hoard from Minmatar got you guys to the point you could finally start doing war zone control flips in order to finally cash out LP's. If it had not been for all the Minmatar farmer alts Caldari would likely still hold warzone control.

Now of course Caldari had more than it's share of farmers as well, but lets not pretend that the war zone control was captured by PVP from either side except for limited heavily contested systems. The bulk of the system captures in FW have come from the armies of farmville alts not from PVPers.

I just spent the morning looking for a fight in the few systems Caldari have left, all I found was pies. I don't need to run plexes to fight Pies..

Ironically I did kill a Gal on my way home when Mr. Digs thought it was a smart idea to jump into Ichoryia behind my Hookbill, in his Thorax. Sadly his Falcon alt Ms Digs couldn't help him in high sec.

See High sec has it's perks..

Anyway, I lived in low sec up until the station lock outs. Living in Onn doesn't keep me out of low sec, it just keeps me from wasting most of my time orbiting buttons just to dock in low sec.

That would be fine and dandy if everyone cared about Sov War and doing the PVE grind that goes along with it.. FW is now the same basic mentality that goes with null sec Sov war. Hey guys lets all go shoot at structures in hopes of getting PVP. In FW it's just hey guys lets go orbit some buttons... This is a system that forces you to do PVE in order to hopefully get PVP by orbiting buttons for hours.

Many of us are not interested in that, because the old FW was more about PVP first and PVE second. Many of us, especially the old guard, much of whom have left, were in FW just for the PVP and to get away from the grinds associated with Sov War that was found in null sec.

It was never about wining or losing for anything more than bragging rights. It was about going out and getting fights, blowing up ships which hopefully weren't your own. This was the mealiness fun that attracted many of us for several years now.

Do you not see how the current system might turn a lot of people off that are not interested in Sov War?

Then don't play FW you can still sit in low sec or go to NPC null and do meaningless pvp nothing is stopping you. fact is i get 100+ kills every month in FW running sites. and i don't have to spend hours doing it or need to find a blob to roam around. every time i log in i can find good small gang pvp right away. What i dont understand is why you keep wasting time here making forum post after forum post when you don't like nor participate in FW just move on.

I have a great idea. Lets just do a copy of nullsec sov warfare, so we don't have any PVE at all.

You'll get to play with SBUs! It'll be like nullsec except there's only 2 sides and nobody can lose