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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#561 - 2013-01-13 15:09:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Squatdog wrote:
Feffri wrote:
Why are caldari saying evoke turned the tide. Gallente stated in this post they were going to allow caldari to take back some systems. This is all it is they are allowing caldari to take back systems so that they have people to shoot. I'm sure gate camping the high sec entry points is pretty boring for them. Also if to say evoke is going to make a difference is premature at best. For all we know they are just another flash in the pan like so many caldari entrants before them, and if they could really make a difference they would of been able to stop gallente from their goal of taking every system.

In the end I will be surprised if they are not just like nulli, trifetas, petsbrigade, kraken, null ocular order, and happy endings. More then likely they see that caldari fw lp store prices are rising and want to grind lp eventually get back to t2 and grind more lp to take advantage as teh price of caldari lp store items rises by another 20-30%. Then you will just add evoke to the list and things will return to how they are now.


LOL...that's why Gals have been frantically trying to defend the contested systems, amirite?

The only difference is that now there's an alliance that they can't 'win' against by blobbing with hugely one-sided odds.

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jesus is everything you write full of ****? SOTFs titan is in nisuwa =D and in OVER A YEAR OF BEING IN SNUFF they never bridged on a lowly cruiser gang. infact the only people ever able to put up a fight and actually inflict damage was galmil in deven and i think we lost 6 absos. anways dont be a tard.


That's why you batphoned Snuffbox on the Ev0ke AHAC gang in Ladi and batphoned them again when Okagaiken went vulnerable, right?

Altough the second time they probably rolled their eyes and laughed at you when it turned out they'd assembled their T3/Logi blob in for nothing.


People are going to evoke systems for fights. The only real difference is were not coming to the forum complaining about evoke having more numbers than us lol.

As for snuff box, things dont go well for them when they travel outside their bridge range so when they see a shiny gang in their reach they dont need to be batphoned to form up for it. At least im not aware of us informing them anyway.

Snuff dont work well with other people so we tend to avoid it to be honest. If they were formed to help us fight in okagaiken then there was a massive tactical error in planning since okagaiken is far ourside bridge range from sujarento.

It really is getting beyond embarrasing how ill informed, paranoid and bitter you are squatty. I would take a step back from the computer and take a few breaths tbh.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#562 - 2013-01-13 16:26:46 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


People are going to evoke systems for fights. The only real difference is were not coming to the forum complaining about evoke having more numbers than us lol.

As for snuff box, things dont go well for them when they travel outside their bridge range so when they see a shiny gang in their reach they dont need to be batphoned to form up for it. At least im not aware of us informing them anyway.

Snuff dont work well with other people so we tend to avoid it to be honest. If they were formed to help us fight in okagaiken then there was a massive tactical error in planning since okagaiken is far ourside bridge range from sujarento.

It really is getting beyond embarrasing how ill informed, paranoid and bitter you are squatty. I would take a step back from the computer and take a few breaths tbh.



Oh I give it a short time before you guys start blue balling Evoke if they routinely keep beating you guys off with a stick. While your corp is a little better prepared as far as fleet docs and of course how many friends you can bat phone Gal Mil as a whole is just blobbers. GalMil has never really ever had any real tactics other than add more blob and if that don't work bore them to death, meaning if Evoke can hold steady to the numbers you guys can throw at them we will see Gals go into the corner and hide with the usual oh we didn't want those systems anyway.


Juliade
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#563 - 2013-01-13 16:34:00 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


People are going to evoke systems for fights. The only real difference is were not coming to the forum complaining about evoke having more numbers than us lol.

As for snuff box, things dont go well for them when they travel outside their bridge range so when they see a shiny gang in their reach they dont need to be batphoned to form up for it. At least im not aware of us informing them anyway.

Snuff dont work well with other people so we tend to avoid it to be honest. If they were formed to help us fight in okagaiken then there was a massive tactical error in planning since okagaiken is far ourside bridge range from sujarento.

It really is getting beyond embarrasing how ill informed, paranoid and bitter you are squatty. I would take a step back from the computer and take a few breaths tbh.



Oh I give it a short time before you guys start blue balling Evoke if they routinely keep beating you guys off with a stick. While your corp is a little better prepared as far as fleet docs and of course how many friends you can bat phone Gal Mil as a whole is just blobbers. GalMil has never really ever had any real tactics other than add more blob and if that don't work bore them to death, meaning if Evoke can hold steady to the numbers you guys can throw at them we will see Gals go into the corner and hide with the usual oh we didn't want those systems anyway.




Do you have anything else to add to the argument besides "lol gallente blob"? We do, but that's hardly all we do. I've seen it happen lots of times where we had around 15 people and squid fleets with similar size and composition just ran away. It even happened to a fleet I was FCing and I'm not exactly the most experienced one around.

So stop generalizing over the same issue over and over again and bring something new and actually relevant to the table.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#564 - 2013-01-13 18:38:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Mutnin wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


People are going to evoke systems for fights. The only real difference is were not coming to the forum complaining about evoke having more numbers than us lol.

As for snuff box, things dont go well for them when they travel outside their bridge range so when they see a shiny gang in their reach they dont need to be batphoned to form up for it. At least im not aware of us informing them anyway.

Snuff dont work well with other people so we tend to avoid it to be honest. If they were formed to help us fight in okagaiken then there was a massive tactical error in planning since okagaiken is far ourside bridge range from sujarento.

It really is getting beyond embarrasing how ill informed, paranoid and bitter you are squatty. I would take a step back from the computer and take a few breaths tbh.



Oh I give it a short time before you guys start blue balling Evoke if they routinely keep beating you guys off with a stick. While your corp is a little better prepared as far as fleet docs and of course how many friends you can bat phone Gal Mil as a whole is just blobbers. GalMil has never really ever had any real tactics other than add more blob and if that don't work bore them to death, meaning if Evoke can hold steady to the numbers you guys can throw at them we will see Gals go into the corner and hide with the usual oh we didn't want those systems anyway.




It really is depressing reading your posts squatty. The selective memory and bias is painful to read over and over again. Everyone blobs. Everyone gets blobbed. Often these result in the best fights. For example, i just got back to nis after taking a fight with 3:1 odds against us. We were winning until the odds changed to 5:1 with the new comers bringing more pantheon carriers than we had ships on field.

Only thing we lost, was pixels.

There are places in EvE for people like you who dont like EvE. Its called RvB and all their arranged 1v1's.

And with that golden advice, i really am going to stop replying to this badly adjusted guy. Must be the water in finland.
Antares 04
Doomheim
#565 - 2013-01-13 19:10:05 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
[quote=Mutnin][quote=Crosi Wesdo]Must be the water in finland.


Water in Finland is excellent, actually. It's totally not bitter at all.

And that's not even a joke - the only thing bitter here are all the guys like Squatdog, Damar and others who can't for the life of them stop generalizing, complaining and going on and on about the same irrelevant things over and over again. Best advice would be to just... ignore them, block them in-game, on forums (if that is even possible) and move on. People are having fun in space while these guys complain in here.

Hell, I'm only here from a total lack of other options, those of you who have alternatives to responding to these folks may wish to do that.

Having said that, it's far from easy to ignore the constant blatant lies, factually incorrect statements and tin-foil hattery that occasionally passes by here. If it was easy, I imagine the mood on the forums would be better.
SaltyandSweet
Oblivion Watch
HYDRA RELOADED
#566 - 2013-01-13 19:50:50 UTC  |  Edited by: SaltyandSweet
Squatdog wrote:
Feffri wrote:
Why are caldari saying evoke turned the tide. Gallente stated in this post they were going to allow caldari to take back some systems. This is all it is they are allowing caldari to take back systems so that they have people to shoot. I'm sure gate camping the high sec entry points is pretty boring for them. Also if to say evoke is going to make a difference is premature at best. For all we know they are just another flash in the pan like so many caldari entrants before them, and if they could really make a difference they would of been able to stop gallente from their goal of taking every system.

In the end I will be surprised if they are not just like nulli, trifetas, petsbrigade, kraken, null ocular order, and happy endings. More then likely they see that caldari fw lp store prices are rising and want to grind lp eventually get back to t2 and grind more lp to take advantage as teh price of caldari lp store items rises by another 20-30%. Then you will just add evoke to the list and things will return to how they are now.


LOL...that's why Gals have been frantically trying to defend the contested systems, amirite?

The only difference is that now there's an alliance that they can't 'win' against by blobbing with hugely one-sided odds.

Quote:
jesus is everything you write full of ****? SOTFs titan is in nisuwa =D and in OVER A YEAR OF BEING IN SNUFF they never bridged on a lowly cruiser gang. infact the only people ever able to put up a fight and actually inflict damage was galmil in deven and i think we lost 6 absos. anways dont be a tard.


That's why you batphoned Snuffbox on the Ev0ke AHAC gang in Ladi and batphoned them again when Okagaiken went vulnerable, right?

Altough the second time they probably rolled their eyes and laughed at you when it turned out they'd assembled their T3/Logi blob in for nothing.

1st thing im going to do when i get back is talk with donnie booler and tyranero, im sure they can help with a mach fleet or the usual snufd standard and just blob you and evoke to hell, and im going to do it because i know it makes you mad.
The greatest thing about being in that corp, was making connections with people and having them help whenever i needed.
Ill make sure everytime i see a fleet up to ruin your fun, and yes ill be the FC so feel free to try and kill me =] i cannot wait to make you go from your sad game pvp to your even sadder forum pvp in tears.

Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE!

Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#567 - 2013-01-13 21:02:26 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


It really is depressing reading your posts squatty. The selective memory and bias is painful to read over and over again. Everyone blobs. Everyone gets blobbed. Often these result in the best fights. For example, i just got back to nis after taking a fight with 3:1 odds against us. We were winning until the odds changed to 5:1 with the new comers bringing more pantheon carriers than we had ships on field.

Only thing we lost, was pixels.

There are places in EvE for people like you who dont like EvE. Its called RvB and all their arranged 1v1's.

And with that golden advice, i really am going to stop replying to this badly adjusted guy. Must be the water in finland.


I don't live in Finland nor is my name squatty.. Perhaps the truth sucks and it's why you don't like hearing it?
Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#568 - 2013-01-13 21:41:07 UTC
Antares 04 wrote:
Squatdog wrote:
Quote:
1208]ur insane mate u had the bunkers ready to bust they were still there after the patch but all caldari did was cry about 1 more tier 5 the greed the caldari have every post always comes down to lp and isk if u thought more about ur faction than ur fking wallets u wouldnt be in this mess


Caldari were given less than a day's notice to bust the 60+ systems they had vulnerable. In the middle of the working week.


The FDU were given less than a day's notice to defence-plex the 60+ systems that were vulnerable.

In. The. Middle. Of. The. Working. Week.

Every advantage the Federation's militia has, is an advantage you have. Every disadvantage, one you have. How the individual militias handle those are up to them.

It is not our fault that you fail.


BWHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

My God, the lies and denial....

In case you've forgotten, Gallente DIDN'T HAVE TO defensive plex pre-patch because systems could be over-plexed an infinite number of times. Post-patch, it was just a matter of using their teeming hordes of Minmatar farming alts to go AFK in three plexes per system to knock them out of Vulnerable.

Quote:
1st thing im going to do when i get back is talk with donnie booler and tyranero, im sure they can help with a mach fleet or the usual snufd standard and just blob you and evoke to hell, and im going to do it because i know it makes you mad.


So you openly admit that you run squealing to Snuffbox every time there's a fight you can't 'win' by blobbing with massively one-sided odds?

Hilarious.

Quote:

I don't live in Finland nor is my name squatty.. Perhaps the truth sucks and it's why you don't like hearing it?


This.

It's always amusing listening to the paranoid delusions and excuses of Gallente failbads.
SaltyandSweet
Oblivion Watch
HYDRA RELOADED
#569 - 2013-01-13 22:58:06 UTC
Squatdog wrote:
[quote=Antares 04][quote=Squatdog][quote]1208]So you openly admit that you run squealing to Snuffbox every time there's a fight you can't 'win' by blobbing with massively one-sided odds?

Hilarious.


i openly admit im going to do it to **** you off and make you cry about it on the forum like you are now, its not my fault NOBODY wants to fly with you. your tears are delicious and are like a delicacy. keep them flowing like the wines of capistrano.
ALSO i am a former snuffie myself so i can call whoever i want =]

Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE!

Wey'oun
#570 - 2013-01-13 23:12:05 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


It really is depressing reading your posts squatty. The selective memory and bias is painful to read over and over again. Everyone blobs. Everyone gets blobbed. Often these result in the best fights. For example, i just got back to nis after taking a fight with 3:1 odds against us. We were winning until the odds changed to 5:1 with the new comers bringing more pantheon carriers than we had ships on field.

Only thing we lost, was pixels.

There are places in EvE for people like you who dont like EvE. Its called RvB and all their arranged 1v1's.

And with that golden advice, i really am going to stop replying to this badly adjusted guy. Must be the water in finland.


I don't live in Finland nor is my name squatty.. Perhaps the truth sucks and it's why you don't like hearing it?


aha i see. so when crosi makes a perfectly good point with a up to date example that even you cant argue with, you pull out a deflection post that adresses not a single point he made and picked at the slighest thing to make it seem like you offered a response.

+1 squatty, keep it up babes <3

PS: you should hook up with Damar, i hear he is a rational thinker aswell
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#571 - 2013-01-14 00:54:41 UTC
Wey'oun wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


It really is depressing reading your posts squatty. The selective memory and bias is painful to read over and over again. Everyone blobs. Everyone gets blobbed. Often these result in the best fights. For example, i just got back to nis after taking a fight with 3:1 odds against us. We were winning until the odds changed to 5:1 with the new comers bringing more pantheon carriers than we had ships on field.

Only thing we lost, was pixels.

There are places in EvE for people like you who dont like EvE. Its called RvB and all their arranged 1v1's.

And with that golden advice, i really am going to stop replying to this badly adjusted guy. Must be the water in finland.


I don't live in Finland nor is my name squatty.. Perhaps the truth sucks and it's why you don't like hearing it?


aha i see. so when crosi makes a perfectly good point with a up to date example that even you cant argue with, you pull out a deflection post that adresses not a single point he made and picked at the slighest thing to make it seem like you offered a response.

+1 squatty, keep it up babes <3

PS: you should hook up with Damar, i hear he is a rational thinker aswell


It was my fault wey, i did the pretty understandable thing of confusing which guy was talking. They whine so much about the exact same stuff i really should check better who im responding to.

Of course, that mistake, negates my post completely even though it applies as much to mutley as to dogger, whatever their names are.
Durrr
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#572 - 2013-01-14 04:04:58 UTC
Feffri wrote:
Why are caldari saying evoke turned the tide. Gallente stated in this post they were going to allow caldari to take back some systems. This is all it is they are allowing caldari to take back systems so that they have people to shoot.


You also have to keep in mind that it is easier to take all systems, than hold all systems.

RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation
#573 - 2013-01-14 04:20:45 UTC
Juliade wrote:

Do you have anything else to add to the argument besides "lol gallente blob"? We do, but that's hardly all we do. I've seen it happen lots of times where we had around 15 people and squid fleets with similar size and composition just ran away. It even happened to a fleet I was FCing and I'm not exactly the most experienced one around.

So stop generalizing over the same issue over and over again and bring something new and actually relevant to the table.


I actually have some local chat from Okkamon that I found funny concerning one of your pilots Kaaki who was complaining about the Caldari blobbing.

That amused me slightly as we've gone up to Heydelies or such before, literally waited 15 minutes while rather than them coming at us with what they had on gate; they've sat there, got exact numbers brought 2x as many with the exact ships to counter then been confused why we refuse to engage.

In my opinion any Fleet Commander who simply Leeroy's their fleet in to another one without making an educated decision about if it can be won or if the losses are worth it should NOT FC.

I mean look at like this... you have 2 Fleets of say 15 Pilots each side.
Caldari will often be flying small nowadays, simply because it's more cost effective - we don't exactly have an abundance of seasoned pilots in our ranks right now.

They will usually be flying without implants again for the same reason.

And often we don't have Off-Grid boosters, as frankly most of us don't have multiple accounts skilled to do such things.
In-fact I actually dislike that tactic as a whole; because a Fleet Booster should ALWAYS be on-grid imo - if you can't bring it on-grid then you shouldn't get the bonus'

I know I'm in a minority with this thinking and we should take every advantage we can get, but feels too much like cheating which is sad if you have to resort to it to win.

While obviously the Gallente Fleets might bring equal numbers, but they will always be in often out-ship us (Faction/Pirate) as much as possible, with full implant sets and Neutral Fleet Off-Grid Boosting. In-fact it has been a considerably LONG time since I've seen the Gallente roll out without a Neutral Booster.

Don't take this the wrong way... I am not complaining or whining about this; just stating the facts as to what factors in with our Decisions to Engage / Retreat from a Field.

Who the FC for the enemy is, even IF we had accurate intel about who it is; honestly comes very low on the priority list.
Especially given when you Primary an FC usually it results in the fight being over and very quickly returning said Fleet back to a boring white-wash engagement or waiting while one side reships and tries to out-blob the other.

I mean I will also tell you know, that I simply refuse to play the "Escalation" game ... as I know without a shadow of a doubt that the Gallente will win that game every damn time for the moment. That just comes from knowing your own pilots limitations be that skill or wallet size vs your enemies.

On the whole the Gallente are known for either Out-Shipping or Out-Blobbing us, it is unavoidable for the time being.
Sometimes we suffer some annoying losses due to this, sometimes we have some we have some good success that makes everyone feel good - in either case though EVE is a game regardless of however much you want to attach yourself to it, and this is all about the fun we have playing it.



To me most of the posts within this area of the forum seem to be little more than all sides swinging their e-peen and selective memories around, to make themselves sound better than they really are.

You guys feel free to keep doing this, but reailty is honestly what I've outlined above.
If you actually want good fights; then do so on equal terms, there will be more engagements. If I knew we could trust the Gallente not to instantly call some 3rd party in to Hot-Drop, which imo you shouldn't need to do with the assets at your disposal; then right now we could be having some good fights in ships other than Frigates, Destroyers and Cruisers.

Honestly I'd love to see this war go back to just Caldari vs Gallente... we should be killing ALL of the pirates not sleeping with them, groups like Pandemic Legion shouldn't be on the batphone of a batphone, they should be actively hunted down for the juicy damn kills they can give us.
SaltyandSweet
Oblivion Watch
HYDRA RELOADED
#574 - 2013-01-14 04:27:48 UTC
lol wanna see a blob, caldari seem like this and still are. this was 2 years ago and even happened while i was in snuff too. caldari had our numbers 3 to 1 and we still kicked that ass. but when it comes to FDU corps vs STPRO corps it has always and still is like this video.
HERPADERP WE STILL DIE IN A FIRE!

Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE!

Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#575 - 2013-01-14 07:53:38 UTC
Wey'oun wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


It really is depressing reading your posts squatty. The selective memory and bias is painful to read over and over again. Everyone blobs. Everyone gets blobbed. Often these result in the best fights. For example, i just got back to nis after taking a fight with 3:1 odds against us. We were winning until the odds changed to 5:1 with the new comers bringing more pantheon carriers than we had ships on field.

Only thing we lost, was pixels.

There are places in EvE for people like you who dont like EvE. Its called RvB and all their arranged 1v1's.

And with that golden advice, i really am going to stop replying to this badly adjusted guy. Must be the water in finland.


I don't live in Finland nor is my name squatty.. Perhaps the truth sucks and it's why you don't like hearing it?


aha i see. so when crosi makes a perfectly good point with a up to date example that even you cant argue with, you pull out a deflection post that adresses not a single point he made and picked at the slighest thing to make it seem like you offered a response.

+1 squatty, keep it up babes <3

PS: you should hook up with Damar, i hear he is a rational thinker aswell


What are you talking about.. He called me sqwatty and said I live in Finland.. Which couldn't be further than the truth.. It might be cold where I live but it's not that cold and while I do have a few alts none of them have that name..
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#576 - 2013-01-14 07:56:24 UTC
Durrr wrote:
Feffri wrote:
Why are caldari saying evoke turned the tide. Gallente stated in this post they were going to allow caldari to take back some systems. This is all it is they are allowing caldari to take back systems so that they have people to shoot.


You also have to keep in mind that it is easier to take all systems, than hold all systems.




Is this the prequel post to "we didn't want those systems anyway"?
SaltyandSweet
Oblivion Watch
HYDRA RELOADED
#577 - 2013-01-14 08:44:09 UTC  |  Edited by: SaltyandSweet
Mutnin wrote:
*tears*

here ya go whiner

Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE!

greg01
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#578 - 2013-01-14 09:51:15 UTC
SaltyandSweet......Question "Do you ever talk about anything other than the fact you were in Snuff? You're over-inflated ego/opinion of yourself and what you can achieve is ****. I remember last year you kept losing then went on a rant about being ex-snuff and how you would bring them to the fight at a moments notice. What happened? Nothing! You talk a load of rubbish. Move on. You're a wannabe snuff member. I think you're ex-snuff because they kicked you for just being a bull******

SaltyandSweet
Oblivion Watch
HYDRA RELOADED
#579 - 2013-01-14 10:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: SaltyandSweet
greg01 wrote:
SaltyandSweet......Question "Do you ever talk about anything other than the fact you were in Snuff? You're over-inflated ego/opinion of yourself and what you can achieve is ****. I remember last year you kept losing then went on a rant about being ex-snuff and how you would bring them to the fight at a moments notice. What happened? Nothing! You talk a load of rubbish. Move on. You're a wannabe snuff member. I think you're ex-snuff because they kicked you for just being a bull******


lol this bad kid, did you ever manage to kill me? guess not maybe we should bring them here to the forum to see what they have to say? perhaps i can again make you look stupid and laugh at you?
you wanna know the reason i got kicked? inactivity, not having time to play. doing something other then sweating infront a monitor like you. clearly i ruffled your feathers greggy cuz i havent seen you or that terribad corp of yours in close to a year and yet here you are jumping on my jock, again, like you have in the past =] seems like youre still mad about all the local smack i used to do to you back in 2010 when you used to cry everytime youd get that ass handed to you. honestly i havent achieved asmuch as i have wanted to YET but the fact that 2 years later the same people trust me and have my back whereas you have to struggle to find 10 people to fly with is a laugh as you and your "opinion/ego". and everytime i got and brought a fight youd dock up because you couldnt handle the usual t3/cs/hac gangs that were flown.
common greggy boy im sure you can do a little better at forum pvp then actual ingame pvp right?
also the response was to that little girl dogsquat and his rants and raves about blobbing, i pointed out his failures before/during/and after i was Snuff/slapd/sp-dr read first brain child.

Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE!

SAJUK NIGARRA
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#580 - 2013-01-14 12:47:46 UTC
FFS, I started a black hole of shitposting, can someone lock this pathetic excuse for a thread ?