Warfare & Tactics

OK, you are making a little sense now. However, I still think you are wrong. There is every reason in the world to plex random systems, which is perfect for the so called "farmers". The "farmers" can do most of the work, then the PVPers can move in and push things over the last mile.

When you are talking about attacking a single targeted system, the larger dedicated and determined force should always win. However, they need to win the novice, small, and medium plexes. Even if the defender can only take 1 of the plexes, that significantly slows the attacker down, which is critical due to TZ imbalances. This also means I have to have three fleets when attacking. I also cannot reship like the defenders can unless I put up POSes. If I as an attacker reship, you as a defender can reship to the plex I'm not taking and create a stalemate. In order to attack a single system, I need to do so at 3:1 odds and put in place some non-trivial logistics that involve POSs, neutral jump freighters and carriers, 10's of billions of isk in ships, etc. The bottom line is that to either attack or defend a given system, I need to live there and essentially own the system for 2-3 days.

On the flip side, if I only want to attack and I don't care what system I attack, I can just spread out and attack targets of opportunity where there is no defense. This is impossible to defend against. The mechanics here favor the attacker(ie loser who has more space to attack) as there is more isk to be made in attacking vs defending. The loser will slowly chip away until they reach a point where systems are so highly contested, that they can ninja attack/flip them before the other side even realizes they need to move there and defend. After a single system is flipped, the loser can defend that with a minimal force while the winner tries to retake it (see above). During that time, the loser can flip another 2-3 systems.

What is different than nullsec, is that I need more than just the blob to win. If one side "blobs" up to take a system, that means all the other systems are left undefended. I cannot just move my blob to each system and instantly undo all the damage you did. The point is that the larger force will always win whatever battle it fights and this is as it should be. In FW, the side that can spread their force equally throughout the warzone is the side that will "win".

Mutnin wants a return to a time when he (still) didn't participate in occupancy warfare. Brilliant.

Stop posting and log in.

there is no reason to log in

Economical reason

and

pvp reason

I sure understand that gallente has some reasons to 'win' fw because they want to make it 1-1 but that does not mean that caldari has any reason to fight for systems.

26 days and my current skill is done..

cloaking lvl 5. nice!

Well I am pretty sure I can think of at least 70 or so people who would be very interested in that fraps, Garr. Make sure you post it up somewhere prominent when ready!

I remember shooting at both of you at one point or another for much too long to little effect. My small endorsement says CCP Fozzie and the rest of the balance team pretty much got armour cruisers right in this balance patch.

One small clarification though. Agony sent a small contingent along (4 DPS and a hero Exequror) but we didn't actually do much for this fight. All the real effort, coordination, and FCing is atributable to other members of the Amarr militia. Especially In Exile. who did the heavy lifting to bring us all that fun from the Amarr end.

i've never heard this statement from anyone in galmil since I joined slapd ~9 months ago. no-one is trying to even the score - it's never come up while i'm online. The groups I roll with are in it for pvp, and we've been getting good fights over the last while, so we're all enjoying it.

if you think we're all sitting around on coms debating what color we should get for any medals, or how many virtual strippers CCP should send our way when we "WIN" FW, you're projecting your own goals onto us, which is probably what's making conversations within this thread so difficult --- i.e., we're talking about having fun in an internet spaceship game, and a group of the calmil players are spewing venom and chest-beating over winning.

trying re-reading the posts without your internal bias filters on and you'll see a pretty good discussion with lots of respect from several members on both sides of the cal/gal FW zone.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=5397&view=losses&page=8

^^The day after Purging Maelstrom had setup a Small Minmatar POS in Eha called the Eye of the Storm, named well for what followed the next 3 days. She was not left alone, nor was the fighting easy, as you can ask Praz, who lost many many ships there. It was a personal win for him, and for us living in OICX. The lackeys of SOTF? I was proud of our alliance that day, shooting at that damn ihub with a fleet of 87, comprised mostly of frigates! I was there. The day was ours. SOTF was not there when Razor Alliance harassed us with 6 Scimitars, 13 Hurricanes and amarr BS', among their fleet of 37 large ships, which quickly lost interest when our intel pilots helped us warp away and back 3 times. I saw 5 brave Caldari come in sniper Cormorants to harass our little army of frigs as we got it down to armor. 2 of them survived to mock our pew pew ant army - but the ihub was falling whether they laughed or not. An hour in and 25% armor left, our SOTF friends did show up in 6 t3 bc's, and helped us finish it off. The rate at which it fell, even to frigs, surprised us all enough to laugh at it and not bother reshipping. My trusty Vexor survived it. It was one hell of a happy week for this lowly GMVA pilot. Eha fought well. o7