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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#181 - 2012-12-29 02:43:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Mutnin wrote:
Madbuster73 wrote:
Caldari should not give up IMO, remember when Minmatar had like 95% of all the systems. and now the Amarr have managed to get a lot of systems back and in the proces made shitloads of isk/LP. so Caldari, plz stop whining and start plexing.
At 1 point Caldari had like 75% of all the systems but they failed to flip the systems and make good use of it. If they would have flipped the systems before the last changes they would be on the winning side. they knew the changes were coming but did nothing with it. too bad, but thats not our fault.


I was out of game at that point, but I've heard repeatedly that Cal Militia guys didn't know of the change, until it happened. Honestly don't yea think if they knew in advance that they would have taken the systems or at least as many as possible?


They actually DID flip well over a dozen or so systems before the patch. However given that gallente had not long since had their tier 5 cashout there were probably over 80 systems in a vulnerable state.

There is no way they were flipping those systems 2 days before the patch with no knowledge of the patch as the sensible plan would have been to wait until the last week before the expansion.
Dread Delgarth
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#182 - 2012-12-29 02:46:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Dread Delgarth
Citizens of Rakapas rejoice - you are liberated!Big smile

And respect to Qjuu and co who fought till the last plex fell.
SAJUK NIGARRA
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#183 - 2012-12-29 03:04:04 UTC
It's been a great 2 days and a half, living out of a POS in a hostile system really builds camaraderie. Great fights were had, friendships were built and more importantly objective was achieved, the main Caldari sytem has been flipped from stable in 52 hours .

I'd like to extend my thanks to SPCA. , FATE and our DnD guys all of whom went to bed at 8 am their time for two night straight making sure we have round the clock coverage. Special mentions go to Chatgris who did wonders FCing outnumbered in US TZ, to Tekitha who FCd across both timezones like a hero, to all the guys that donated isk and ships for us to be able to reship fast in coherent doctrines and especially to our logistics guys who made sure we had POSs anchored and fueled, replacement ships and fittings, cynos in place and pizzas delivered whenever we were hungry.


5 systems left, the oddysey continues.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#184 - 2012-12-29 03:06:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Killz
Caldari factional warfare will NEVER recover

I had no doubt while I was in factional warfare that the current iteration of the Caldari millitia was the MOST POWERFUL it has ever been...

I left factional warfare @ the hieght of caldari milltia power. Admiring thier determination to kill giants. The push on Nennamaila was a worthy challenge and the effort exerted was worthy of a warrior.

I am and still am jealous I wasn't able to participate. I believed it was a battle the caldari milltia would lose, but that was the most thrilling thing about it. But! I digress...

From the beginning, I could see the states end or atleast the current iteration.

Caldari have always had a devotion to the blob, working together and blues. The Gallente and many successful entities have always subscribed to individualism and I'm refering to single entities and lack there of.

I personally made the descion to join Caldari factional warfare because it was the weakest of ALL milltias @ the time. Even @ its strongest, its weakness was always apparent.

Look @ the Gallente milltia. Individualism on the pilot, corporation and alliance level is apparent. This translated into a number of strong Individual entities which was 3 - 4 times what the caldari milltia had. Infact, even @ it's hieght there was only 2 or 3 caldari entities that could act on thier own without fear.

Basically the SUM of the Gallente militias parts are strong. Once they decide to come together you have an issue. With that said, once a threat was delt with, each entity dispersed and did thier own thing.

NOT the caldari. Many entities are afraid to act alone and they're addicted to numbers (blob). Instead of going threw the normal struggles of growth and making tough choices. They always choose to blue and blob there way to what? Tempory victories with no thought of the future? Yes! Going out on your own is tough and you will lose ALOT and struggle ALOT, but if you make it...

I asked this question when I joined the Caldari side and threw out it. What happens after all your allies you rely on leave? All the strength you THOUGHT you had is gone. It was infact, fictitious. Your pilots and or organization haven't gotten any better. You blobed without much effort and once its gone or you cant afford to do it anymore. Well! Effort is required... oh sh!t! You're now back to square one.

The lesson here is simple. Better yourself AND THEN you can help others or in this case a milltia. A simple, concept that I articulated many times while in the Caldari milltia.

Anyway. All of this is a learning experience for some and most wont learn from it at all and the old timers have seen it too many times.

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Lt Mandrid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#185 - 2012-12-29 04:44:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lt Mandrid
Major Killz wrote:
Caldari factional warfare will NEVER recover


Caldari have always had a devotion to the blob, working together and blues. The Gallente and many successful entities have always subscribed to individualism and I'm refering to single entities and lack there of.



Biggest load of crap I have ever read... u guys almost never role alone and if you do its not 3 mins that you blob us if you manage to get killd b4 running...

It took your most powerful alliances running 24/7 to take down 25-35 active players, at no point were you outnumbered... ever.

so dont post blob **** about your buddies just to kiss ass when you know it's bullshit.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#186 - 2012-12-29 04:54:20 UTC
^Who let this guy off his leach? Is he new?

Thats another thing that permeates Caldari factional warfare. Delusion...

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Lt Mandrid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#187 - 2012-12-29 05:05:12 UTC
Major Killz wrote:
^Who let this guy off his leach? Is he new?

Thats another thing that permeates Caldari factional warfare. Delusion...


Not new, just dont normally post on the gal circle jerk posts...
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#188 - 2012-12-29 05:22:53 UTC
Lt Mandrid wrote:
Major Killz wrote:
^Who let this guy off his leach? Is he new?

Thats another thing that permeates Caldari factional warfare. Delusion...


Not new, just dont normally post on the gal circle jerk posts...



Dont h8. Get on our new Gallente overlords nutz. There's still space left. I for one welcome our new leaders 07

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2012-12-29 06:56:55 UTC
This thread is like unpacking a christmas gift every night.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Apollo Eros
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#190 - 2012-12-29 07:48:35 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
This thread is like unpacking a christmas gift every night.



I could not agree more. But I just wanted to add. An Amazing Christmas Gift every night. Not just the ****** christmas gifts. The one you really want. The one that gives you the Excitement Boners.

[Triple OG LVL 5 Space Wizard]
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#191 - 2012-12-29 08:26:35 UTC
Apollo Eros wrote:
Mekhana wrote:
This thread is like unpacking a christmas gift every night.



I could not agree more. But I just wanted to add. An Amazing Christmas Gift every night. Not just the ****** christmas gifts. The one you really want. The one that gives you the Excitement Boners.


So not like the crap gifts CCP gave us this year. Worst gifts EVARRRR!
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#192 - 2012-12-29 08:35:17 UTC
Major Killz wrote:
Caldari factional warfare will NEVER recover

I had no doubt while I was in factional warfare that the current iteration of the Caldari millitia was the MOST POWERFUL it has ever been...

(snip-snip)

I've actually had this discussion before with former members of the Caldari Militia who'd joined RvB when I was there. It's definitely an interesting point.

Someone brought up the question the other day if the biography for the factions on new player creation steer a certain type of player towards one faction or the other. So you have a Caldari player, that should they decide to join faction war, will often join the faction of their character's race over another. So you have all these players who chose Caldari because the bio appealed to them sharing similar mindsets and you get what you addressed in your post.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Farley genocent
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#193 - 2012-12-29 09:00:32 UTC
Congrats for the taking of Rakapas.

It was a little dissapointing to see so many Caldari in system yet only the four of us defending the last plex. We saw what was coming in but didn't really have a lot of choice but to stay and try to defend it.

Don't get too comfortable we'll be wanting that one back.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#194 - 2012-12-29 09:01:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekhana
It will take a long time for the squids to recover from this. Squids pretty much only had two alliances left and the most organized and powerful one packed up and left.

TD is hardly a true alliance they are about as cohesive as the rest of the militia. They are too spread apart in timezones for them to work and from what I have been reading in their channels they have a lot of drama and bickering too.

We'll have to wait until new players enter the fray to turn things around for them or rely on old players leaving to balance things out.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#195 - 2012-12-29 09:49:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Casidy
Farley genocent wrote:
Congrats for the taking of Rakapas.

It was a little dissapointing to see so many Caldari in system yet only the four of us defending the last plex. We saw what was coming in but didn't really have a lot of choice but to stay and try to defend it.

Don't get too comfortable we'll be wanting that one back.


I was honestly kind of bummed; after all the excitment last night I was hoping for round ...whatever. Thanks for bringing it though, stupid fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INlyrOcVuQQ

One hour of us fighting over a med, 12 of us vs 25_ 30 or so ( it gets to round 5) thanks for the help from from our friends who came over and murdered the bb's.
Great fights, can't wait for the next batch!

.
SAJUK NIGARRA
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#196 - 2012-12-29 13:58:19 UTC
Any chance we could get some fraps from the Caldari side too ?
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#197 - 2012-12-29 14:09:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Killz
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Major Killz wrote:
Caldari factional warfare will NEVER recover

I had no doubt while I was in factional warfare that the current iteration of the Caldari millitia was the MOST POWERFUL it has ever been...

(snip-snip)

I've actually had this discussion before with former members of the Caldari Militia who'd joined RvB when I was there. It's definitely an interesting point.

Someone brought up the question the other day if the biography for the factions on new player creation steer a certain type of player towards one faction or the other. So you have a Caldari player, that should they decide to join faction war, will often join the faction of their character's race over another. So you have all these players who chose Caldari because the bio appealed to them sharing similar mindsets and you get what you addressed in your post.



I've also had similar converations as to why 1 millitia attracts a certain archetype over another.

As a Ultranationalist and terrorist. you know! Being someone who role plays threw action, not words.


Wizard hat and cape on*

I've always been upset that the Caldari regualarly produce weak pilots and entities. While all the other milltias sh!t out awesome pilots and s!ck corporations.

Why does the Federation practice principles that are purely based on the capitalism? Why, does the State principles that seem more like communism.

In my opinion, a true Caldari is dicated to himself and by doing so; is dicated to the state. Caldari are self sufficient, self motivated and self reliant. The state is its people and is only as strong as its people.

Wizard hat and cape off*


If players do gravitate to one race or another based on principle. Then most should understand that the Caldari State is a corpocracy, stratocracy and federation all rolled into one.

This is some Darwinion, Machiavelli, Greek city state, Frederick niche, Frederick the Great and american constitution sh!t.

Why would any pu$$y @ss b!thces want to subscribe to that? This is some warrior sh!t, but someone left the gate open and all these weak @$$ scrubs came in.

Either way. You cheese eating, wig whereing, wine tasting puftas win this one. But! 1 day a Caldari Jesus will arrive and pass judgment on the Gallente milltia, high taxes, big goverment, puftas and those who support abortion and gun control.


- It has been a pleasure gentlemen. I bid you adieu 07

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#198 - 2012-12-29 14:36:23 UTC
inb4 Major Killz rejoins FW.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#199 - 2012-12-29 15:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
Madbuster73 wrote:
Caldari should not give up IMO, remember when Minmatar had like 95% of all the systems. and now the Amarr have managed to get a lot of systems back and in the proces made shitloads of isk/LP. so Caldari, plz stop whining and start plexing.
At 1 point Caldari had like 75% of all the systems but they failed to flip the systems and make good use of it. If they would have flipped the systems before the last changes they would be on the winning side. they knew the changes were coming but did nothing with it. too bad, but thats not our fault.


I was out of game at that point, but I've heard repeatedly that Cal Militia guys didn't know of the change, until it happened. Honestly don't yea think if they knew in advance that they would have taken the systems or at least as many as possible?


They actually DID flip well over a dozen or so systems before the patch. However given that gallente had not long since had their tier 5 cashout there were probably over 80 systems in a vulnerable state.

There is no way they were flipping those systems 2 days before the patch with no knowledge of the patch as the sensible plan would have been to wait until the last week before the expansion.



So how would you expect them to flip 80 systems in two days? It seems to me the Caldari had done the bulk of the work to control the war zone but it was handed off to Gals with the patch because there was no way to flip that many systems in that short of an amount of time. Do you not see that are a reasonable reason for many Caldari to be pissed off and no longer interested in continuing?

You know as well as I do that war zone control was a joke at that point. It was nothing but Caldari & Gallente farming systems back and forth for each to cash out. The fact still remains that Caldari was capable of hitting tier IV and even tier V far more times than the Gallente did. Yet by timing the Sov War was handed to Gals, by a quick patch.

Overall through that period it was Caldari that dictated the biggest control of the so called Sov War. You guys got tier V one time if I'm not mistaken and Caldari did it a few times.

It was just pure luck or evil CCP conspiracy if you will, that Caldari ended up on the losing side with the Sov war. I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory as it would be extremely stupid of CCP to do, but just by the pure luck of Gals ending up with the control at the end of a major change that made it harder to come back is enough IMO to **** off a lot of Caldari and not make them interested in continuing.

You guys had the war zone handed to you on a silver platter, by luck of timing and you know as well as I do up til that point it was Caldari that dictated the bulk of the Sov War. If you remember we once also kicked Gals out of Rakapass.

Personally, I stopped being interested in the Sov War when everyone in Caldari decided to stop defending systems because of all the Minmatar farmers and play the flip flop Sov game so they could farm ISK. The same game Gals were more than happy to play.

This is why I'm a critic of the current Sov System because it's pretty much just arena PVP where only a few key systems are fought over while the vast majority are just farmed back & forth.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#200 - 2012-12-29 16:06:18 UTC
Mutnin wrote:

This is why I'm a critic of the current Sov System because it's pretty much just arena PVP where only a few key systems are fought over while the vast majority are just farmed back & forth.

You have never been a part of sovereignty warfare anyways. And you never log in. So... why do you care so much ?