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Umar Umarhabib
Doomheim
#81 - 2012-12-25 18:36:59 UTC
Aryth wrote:


Wealth generation is not something lacking in the EVE of today.


pfft ya that's cuz you're in an alliance that has the power to manipulate the economy and you know about it before it happens.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#82 - 2012-12-25 18:58:25 UTC
Aryth wrote:

-I started amassing my wealth in 2010
-am Multi trillionare now
-I also do it with very little effort.
-If I was willing to do EFFORT in EVE, it would be even higher.
-Im a Director of Goonswarm Alliance in EVE ONLINE


what are you trying to tell us, son?

shar'ra phone home
Umar Umarhabib
Doomheim
#83 - 2012-12-25 19:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Umar Umarhabib
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Aryth wrote:

-I started amassing my wealth in 2010
-am Multi trillionare now
-I also do it with very little effort.
-If I was willing to do EFFORT in EVE, it would be even higher.
-Im a Director of Goonswarm Alliance in EVE ONLINE


what are you trying to tell us, son?


Roll

Even major corporation CEO's in the real world work 70 - 80 hour a week, and they work much more than most employees.

So he is implying that he's some kind of genius, and can be rich without working hard.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-12-25 19:20:42 UTC
Umar Umarhabib wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Aryth wrote:

-I started amassing my wealth in 2010
-am Multi trillionare now
-I also do it with very little effort.
-If I was willing to do EFFORT in EVE, it would be even higher.
-Im a Director of Goonswarm Alliance in EVE ONLINE


what are you trying to tell us, son?


Roll

Even major corporation CEO's in the real world work 70 - 80 hour a week, and they work much more than most employees.

So he is implying that he's some kind of genius, and can be rich without working hard.


No, it has nothing to do with my position. My point is that wealth generation is simple in EVE. It doesn't require special intelligence, or special effort, it just requires taking the sure things and piling in. Ex: Tiericide.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#85 - 2012-12-26 05:24:33 UTC
I wouldn't know, never made over a billion yet I'm just a poor stinky miner.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#86 - 2012-12-27 01:30:30 UTC
I should think that wealthy in a game such as EVE should simply be defined as the state in which your income equals or exceeds your expenses.

So, as long as you can easily afford to replace what you lose, then you are wealthy.

Now, if you make sufficient income such that your losses are of no concern to you whatsoever, then you should consider yourself to be filthy rich.

And, finally, if you make or have so much ISK such that (a) you can never spend it all and/or (b) don't know what to spend it on, then you probably should find some other game to play, because EVE is clearly not enough of a challenge for you. :)
Jeyson Vicious
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-12-27 03:56:52 UTC
You know what? When I posted this, I guess really, down at the core, I wondered..., how many people (percent of EVE population) could outright buy a Titan in the next hour?

I see these go for 95 - 110 Billion ISK in das Forums. So in short, to me, if you can buy one (either outright or by cashing out some assets real quick) then, sir, Mr. Capsuleer, I salute you. You are wealthy.

Now, if you have Cribba-type obscenely wealthy money (so I’m told); then you buy that Erebus, fill yourself with Snake Implants and then order RAMMING SPEED! Then you hav won EVE.
Umar Umarhabib
Doomheim
#88 - 2012-12-27 06:50:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Umar Umarhabib
Jeyson Vicious wrote:
You know what? When I posted this, I guess really, down at the core, I wondered..., how many people (percent of EVE population) could outright buy a Titan in the next hour?

I see these go for 95 - 110 Billion ISK in das Forums. So in short, to me, if you can buy one (either outright or by cashing out some assets real quick) then, sir, Mr. Capsuleer, I salute you. You are wealthy.

Now, if you have Cribba-type obscenely wealthy money (so I’m told); then you buy that Erebus, fill yourself with Snake Implants and then order RAMMING SPEED! Then you hav won EVE.


I wouldn't be surprised if only 2 - 3% of the Eve player base can afford a titan.

There are around 400,000 subscribers, not sure how many of those are unique subscribers since so many people have more than 1 account.

There are people who can afford to buy a Titan, but don't have one because they're useless.

There are also people who cannot afford to buy a Titan, but have one because they got it for free from their alliance.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-12-27 07:04:08 UTC
Jeyson Vicious wrote:


Now, if you have Cribba-type obscenely wealthy money (so I’m told); then you buy that Erebus, fill yourself with Snake Implants and then order RAMMING SPEED! Then you hav won EVE.


or you fit all 4 Titan´s with Mining lasers and go mining in low sec (that was 4-5 years ago already).

shar'ra phone home
Marr Aridia
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2012-12-27 07:13:35 UTC
Gluthor wrote:
kla samon wrote:
The way I always looked at it in relative terms :

Eve Billionaire ~ RL Millionaire
Eve Trillionaire ~ RL Billionaire


It's nice to have a billion isk but when it comes down to it yer still limited much like if you had 1 million USD
RL billionaires use to be in a really small group but now a days they seem to be springing up everywhere much like Eve Trillionaires.


more like

Eve Billionaire ~ your average joe
Eve Trillionaire ~ RL Millionaire



Pretty accurate tbh!
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#91 - 2012-12-27 10:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I agree on that quite nice statement about "wealthy = earn more than you spend".
I.e. I could play for more than 5 minutes a day and make some quite decent coin, but I can't be arsed because in the end I have few tens of millions costs a month (NPC taxes / rental) vs my nicely automatic ISK creating "engine". Why should I bother with :effort: ?

Jeyson Vicious wrote:

I see these go for 95 - 110 Billion ISK in das Forums. So in short, to me, if you can buy one (either outright or by cashing out some assets real quick) then, sir, Mr. Capsuleer, I salute you. You are wealthy.


Well a Titan is not so impossible of a purchase even just after 2-3 years since starting the game (from a "total zero economy knowledge" like I had), I think it takes more skilling up *well* for one than to buy one.

But the real Titan cost is the restrictions (aka golden prison effect, need for a character for it) and most of all the fact it's an huge community device.

The titan cost is the alliance future changing responsibility you take (talking about normal alliances, not "we have "endless" titans" ones) and just operating one is more of a chore and lasting task than "just" logging in your battleship pilot, using the bridge and doing 2 hours worth of corp op.

All this blurb to say, I'd buy a Tribal Tempest well before than a Titan, ISK is nothing but dealing with a committed and responsibility role is out of my current grasp.

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Mercur Fighter
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-12-27 15:01:45 UTC
I would think flying a Titan is very boring.

Except occasionally when your space penus gets onto the kill mail of another space penus or supercarrier.
Reyna Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2012-12-27 19:30:53 UTC
Gluthor wrote:
kla samon wrote:
The way I always looked at it in relative terms :

Eve Billionaire ~ RL Millionaire
Eve Trillionaire ~ RL Billionaire


It's nice to have a billion isk but when it comes down to it yer still limited much like if you had 1 million USD
RL billionaires use to be in a really small group but now a days they seem to be springing up everywhere much like Eve Trillionaires.


more like

Eve Billionaire ~ your average joe
Eve Trillionaire ~ RL Millionaire


CCP in the last year stated that the average active account has around 600m.

CCP really needs to post a bellcurve.
Reyna Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2012-12-27 19:38:54 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:
I should think that wealthy in a game such as EVE should simply be defined as the state in which your income equals or exceeds your expenses.

So, as long as you can easily afford to replace what you lose, then you are wealthy.

Now, if you make sufficient income such that your losses are of no concern to you whatsoever, then you should consider yourself to be filthy rich.

And, finally, if you make or have so much ISK such that (a) you can never spend it all and/or (b) don't know what to spend it on, then you probably should find some other game to play, because EVE is clearly not enough of a challenge for you. :)


I agree and disagree.

One could argue that a person's expenses tend to be based on their income as much as their income is based on their expenses. Over-all, I agree with you, which is why I liked your post, especially the end :p
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2012-12-27 21:22:25 UTC
Umar Umarhabib wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Aryth wrote:

-I started amassing my wealth in 2010
-am Multi trillionare now
-I also do it with very little effort.
-If I was willing to do EFFORT in EVE, it would be even higher.
-Im a Director of Goonswarm Alliance in EVE ONLINE


what are you trying to tell us, son?


Roll

Even major corporation CEO's in the real world work 70 - 80 hour a week, and they work much more than most employees.

So he is implying that he's some kind of genius, and can be rich without working hard.


Having been a director, worked with and worked for CEO's, Presidents, VPs, etc... Such 70-80 hours are sporadically done at best. Small organizations have far more "hard working" seniors and exec's than larger organizations.

Also what is termed "work" by them is anything work related - from dinner's around to golf outings and such. Not quite the same for others.

As such, from what I've seen, it's not quite so arduous as you make it out to be nor quite so time consuming and far from the focus of others that are working at specific, given tasks within an organization.
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-12-27 22:11:39 UTC
Mocam wrote:

Having been a director, worked with and worked for CEO's, Presidents, VPs, etc... Such 70-80 hours are sporadically done at best. Small organizations have far more "hard working" seniors and exec's than larger organizations.



Let me guess... you work/have worked in a small organization ? Roll
Mercur Fighter
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2012-12-27 22:24:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mercur Fighter
Mocam wrote:
Umar Umarhabib wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Aryth wrote:

-I started amassing my wealth in 2010
-am Multi trillionare now
-I also do it with very little effort.
-If I was willing to do EFFORT in EVE, it would be even higher.
-Im a Director of Goonswarm Alliance in EVE ONLINE


what are you trying to tell us, son?


Roll

Even major corporation CEO's in the real world work 70 - 80 hour a week, and they work much more than most employees.

So he is implying that he's some kind of genius, and can be rich without working hard.


Having been a director, worked with and worked for CEO's, Presidents, VPs, etc... Such 70-80 hours are sporadically done at best. Small organizations have far more "hard working" seniors and exec's than larger organizations.

Also what is termed "work" by them is anything work related - from dinner's around to golf outings and such. Not quite the same for others.

As such, from what I've seen, it's not quite so arduous as you make it out to be nor quite so time consuming and far from the focus of others that are working at specific, given tasks within an organization.


I work in the family business, and having "dinners" and going to "social events" to meet with customers is really not very fun, although I act like I'm having fun.

I'm not a senior executive in a big corp, but I'm usually tired after attending such an event, and I'd much rather stay home and watch TV.
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#98 - 2012-12-28 09:29:30 UTC
Reyna Azizora wrote:
Gluthor wrote:


more like

Eve Billionaire ~ your average joe
Eve Trillionaire ~ RL Millionaire


CCP in the last year stated that the average active account has around 600m.

CCP really needs to post a bellcurve.


Both statements sound about right since I'm sure there are a number of us who end up converting our ISK to PLEX every 600m or so. I feel that the "average joe" probably does make about 1B a month which is about enough to PLEX 2 accounts, but averages tend to get skewed by people with ridiculous amounts of money and people who are just here for the trial. I just hope CCP has more things we can spend PLEX on like resculpts and E-On since I don't really feel a need for more than 2 accounts.
Bob Killan
Dzark Asylum
#99 - 2012-12-28 13:35:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Bob Killan
Celeste Taylor wrote:


Both statements sound about right since I'm sure there are a number of us who end up converting our ISK to PLEX every 600m or so. I feel that the "average joe" probably does make about 1B a month which is about enough to PLEX 2 accounts, but averages tend to get skewed by people with ridiculous amounts of money and people who are just here for the trial. I just hope CCP has more things we can spend PLEX on like resculpts and E-On since I don't really feel a need for more than 2 accounts.



Im with you on that, I promised to reduce my accounts after the "unsubed training" saga. Still dont agree with CCP's move and think they lost money on it, from 5 accounts im now down to 2 and considering selling 1 character (this one) so i can just run the one account. Reducing account hasnt reduced income too much and im probably wealthier from not subbing so many accounts. Just to say im a trading carebare with enough to buy a number of titans, only problem is finding a decent 0.0 corp to help me spend my wealth on ship losses. As im not a person whose glued to eve finding a good 0.0 corp is difficult all expect you to drop real life because "gods forbid" we might lose a few billion pixels......

Well my pixels cost me nothing but a bit of relaxing PC time and therefore doing nothing is as important corps dont like that atitude, So although 500 bil of assets and isk doesn't sound much im super rich as i have no where to spend it unless some RL friends who've taken a break wish to return and go pirate for S***'s and Giggle's with a isk is no object attitude.