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Noir. [Est. 2008]

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General Nusense
Doomheim
#241 - 2014-05-07 23:10:34 UTC
in the end

noir. ruined they rep by taking a contract from cfc when they were on contract against cfc.

as a former merc, alliance member of noir. (not by choice and they were trolled out shorty after for being ****), this is the end for them and their merc. game. time to pack up shop and find something else to do.

Made a signature so I am taken seriously on the forums, since thats the only thing they are good for.
Terminus Calamity
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#242 - 2014-05-07 23:40:10 UTC
General Nusense wrote:
in the end

noir. ruined they rep by taking a contract from cfc when they were on contract against cfc.

as a former merc, alliance member of noir. (not by choice and they were trolled out shorty after for being ****), this is the end for them and their merc. game. time to pack up shop and find something else to do.


If your correct, and the in your assumption of who the contracts were from than your statement should look like this. "Noir. ruined their rep by taking a contract from goblin when they were on a contract against cfc.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#243 - 2014-05-07 23:43:58 UTC
Terminus Calamity wrote:
General Nusense wrote:
in the end

noir. ruined they rep by taking a contract from cfc when they were on contract against cfc.

as a former merc, alliance member of noir. (not by choice and they were trolled out shorty after for being ****), this is the end for them and their merc. game. time to pack up shop and find something else to do.


If your correct, and the in your assumption of who the contracts were from than your statement should look like this. "Noir. ruined their rep by taking a contract from goblin when they were on a contract against cfc.


What? I honestly have no idea what you just said.
Terminus Calamity
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#244 - 2014-05-08 01:07:30 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Terminus Calamity wrote:
General Nusense wrote:
in the end

noir. ruined they rep by taking a contract from cfc when they were on contract against cfc.

as a former merc, alliance member of noir. (not by choice and they were trolled out shorty after for being ****), this is the end for them and their merc. game. time to pack up shop and find something else to do.


If your correct, and the in your assumption of who the contracts were from than your statement should look like this. "Noir. ruined their rep by taking a contract from goblin when they were on a contract against cfc.


What? I honestly have no idea what you just said.


Surely You're Joking
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#245 - 2014-05-08 01:32:00 UTC
Ah! You used the alliance name as a phrase! Give him a prize
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#246 - 2014-05-08 03:30:55 UTC
Goblin's Blogging Company

Sorry, couldn't resist. It's just....just too close to home.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#247 - 2014-05-08 04:13:12 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Goblin's Blogging Company

Sorry, couldn't resist. It's just....just too close to home.



That's adorable but the question still stands why you asked one side if it was "OK" to take another contract but you didn't ask Goblin.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#248 - 2014-05-08 04:20:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Goblin's Blogging Company

Sorry, couldn't resist. It's just....just too close to home.



That's adorable but the question still stands why you asked one side if it was "OK" to take another contract but you didn't ask Goblin.


The question does not "still stand" it's been answered several times in several places, including this thread and places linked on this thread. I will answer it again though I'm under no illusions you will go away.

Our first contractor had specified he wanted CFC attacked as/after they were ganking. The check was a low key "cool if we can kill them before they gank too" as Goblin's contract incentivized us to get as many of them as possible, including baiting kill rights and hitting them at safe spots etc. Goblin's contract was a simple pay per kill, nothing in it to conflict with.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#249 - 2014-05-08 04:26:19 UTC
Fayral wrote:


Right off the bat multiple people tried contacting you. They were blocked AND accused of "harvesting tears". Normal course of action is to solve a dispute in a calm, peaceful way. You gave Noir. leadership no alternate route.


All your communication was "everything is fine, PAY!" Not for a second you left a doubt that you see no problem or misunderstanding. Why should I keep communicating with a parrot?

But even after the block you had an option: just let it go. If you kept your mouth shut, I had done the same, as it was clearly not my interest to announce that I was a fool to trust anyone in EVE who isn't called Chribba. But you went public and kept demanding payment for nothing.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#250 - 2014-05-08 04:28:42 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Goblin's Blogging Company

Sorry, couldn't resist. It's just....just too close to home.



That's adorable but the question still stands why you asked one side if it was "OK" to take another contract but you didn't ask Goblin.


The question does not "still stand" it's been answered several times in several places, including this thread and places linked on this thread. I will answer it again though I'm under no illusions you will go away.

Our first contractor had specified he wanted CFC attacked as/after they were ganking. The check was a low key "cool if we can kill them before they gank too" as Goblin's contract incentivized us to get as many of them as possible, including baiting kill rights and hitting them at safe spots etc. Goblin's contract was a simple pay per kill, nothing in it to conflict with.



"For the record, I checked to make sure our first employer would not have a problem with us pursuing CFC more vigorously to earn bounties from another employer (Goblin) and because that employer was not a manic conspiracy theorist he told us to go for it." ~ Alek

Well then even more, if the contract with this other party was in conflict at all, why leak the details and ask if it was OK anyway? So you felt it was in your client's interest to ask if another contract was OK, but you didn't think to ask in Goblin's case?
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#251 - 2014-05-08 05:01:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Goblin's Blogging Company

Sorry, couldn't resist. It's just....just too close to home.



That's adorable but the question still stands why you asked one side if it was "OK" to take another contract but you didn't ask Goblin.


The question does not "still stand" it's been answered several times in several places, including this thread and places linked on this thread. I will answer it again though I'm under no illusions you will go away.

Our first contractor had specified he wanted CFC attacked as/after they were ganking. The check was a low key "cool if we can kill them before they gank too" as Goblin's contract incentivized us to get as many of them as possible, including baiting kill rights and hitting them at safe spots etc. Goblin's contract was a simple pay per kill, nothing in it to conflict with.



"For the record, I checked to make sure our first employer would not have a problem with us pursuing CFC more vigorously to earn bounties from another employer (Goblin) and because that employer was not a manic conspiracy theorist he told us to go for it." ~ Alek

Well then even more, if the contract with this other party was in conflict at all, why leak the details and ask if it was OK anyway? So you felt it was in your client's interest to ask if another contract was OK, but you didn't think to ask in Goblin's case?

For the nth time no details were leaked.

This game will not be played on our thread Seraph. If you'd like to play scammer apologist or w/e it is you think you're accomplishing go do it on EN24.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#252 - 2014-05-08 05:12:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph IX Basarab
Ok sure no details were leaked. My question still remains why you felt the need to ask one party if taking another contract was OK but not the other? What was your reasoning?


Edit: Answered in private.
Fayral
Nano Currency
Yeet. Pray. Love.
#253 - 2014-05-08 08:52:11 UTC
Holy Guacamole. Every new page reads identical to the last for 5 pages.
Fayral
Nano Currency
Yeet. Pray. Love.
#254 - 2014-05-08 08:57:14 UTC
NinjaTurtle wrote:
there's a distinct lack of c&p flame in here, i'm somewhat disappointed aleks




HOW BOUT NOW TURTLE>??? HOW BOUT NOW.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#255 - 2014-05-08 14:17:11 UTC
This thread is now better than Marmitte's.

*popcorns* Big smile

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !
Tar'z
Doomheim
#256 - 2014-05-08 14:30:55 UTC
I guess it comes down to an issue of priorities. If you've been contracted to be in Jita fighting against CFC gankers, surely having another job in Jita at that same time creates a priority issue. What happens if at the same time a CFC gank fleet arrives on grid, an anti-CFC war target fleet arrives? Are we really to believe the war target fleet would be ignored? While they're shooting at you?

The situation you created seems unfeasible. Gevlon was not hiring you to simply score Goon-kills-for-ISK; the point of doing so was to have an actual effect against the Goons. By splitting priorities - which includes DEFENDING the Goons - you are clearly working against what is obviously his goal from the contract.

Gevlon has a right to be upset I'd say, but I fully admit such opinion is based off limited information.
Isabela Valentine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#257 - 2014-05-08 15:02:04 UTC
Tar'z wrote:
I guess it comes down to an issue of priorities. If you've been contracted to be in Jita fighting against CFC gankers, surely having another job in Jita at that same time creates a priority issue. What happens if at the same time a CFC gank fleet arrives on grid, an anti-CFC war target fleet arrives? Are we really to believe the war target fleet would be ignored? While they're shooting at you?

The situation you created seems unfeasible. Gevlon was not hiring you to simply score Goon-kills-for-ISK; the point of doing so was to have an actual effect against the Goons. By splitting priorities - which includes DEFENDING the Goons - you are clearly working against what is obviously his goal from the contract.

Gevlon has a right to be upset I'd say, but I fully admit such opinion is based off limited information.


It was a bounty per kill contract and didn't involve us working with other anti-cfc groups. At any rate, none of those fleets even showed up so it never was an issue. Gevlon made the mistake of not giving us a list of blues to work with. We aren't in the field of mind reading and therefore didn't know that was his intent. If he had told us that, we would have refused the contract.

On to bigger and better things. So.... how about those sports teams?
Gin Alley
#258 - 2014-05-08 16:40:35 UTC
Is grr noir a thing yet?
Kaea Astridsson
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#259 - 2014-05-08 16:55:58 UTC
Gin Alley wrote:
Is grr noir a thing yet?


Sadly not same ring to it... guessing "Hnnnngh Noir" is more fitting here.

Get on Comms, or die typing.
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#260 - 2014-05-08 19:19:58 UTC
Isabela Valentine wrote:

It was a bounty per kill contract and didn't involve us working with other anti-cfc groups. At any rate, none of those fleets even showed up so it never was an issue. Gevlon made the mistake of not giving us a list of blues to work with.


Are you trolling? List of blues in highsec? You can't shoot anyone in highsec unless you go out of your way to get into war. Which you did.

You try to make this look like a nullsec "standings were not set, neuts shown up, mistakes were made" issue. No. You purposefully allied with Goonswarm (the target of the contract) to shoot anyone who is shooting Goons. Also, your job was to jam Goons which you didn't even attempted.

The only way to stay in business after this mess would have been a public apology and a new CEO.
Instead you tried to finish the scam and demanded payment for nothing under threats.

The topic title should be changed to "Noir 2008-2014". You are done.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com