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What ever happened to Tesselation?

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ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#81 - 2012-12-20 16:29:43 UTC
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:
CCP Mankiller wrote:
WinXP is the problem... It just won't die!
Unfortunately it dies in a year or so. I dread the the time I have to buy a new OS for the 5 machines in our household.
Win Vista? When tried on a new machine (at the time) it made my old ZX Spectrum look fast.
Win 7? When tried I couldn't use half the machines attached to the computer and a lot of the configuration options I am used to simple where not there or excess-able without third party programs.
Win 8? I don't have a bloody smart phone! I have a PC!

Win XP does it's job just fine thank you. Including running EvE.

You are the worst kind of person.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#82 - 2012-12-20 16:31:53 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
So you bought tons of enthusiast hardware and are mad that it is overkill?


Without wishing to speak for the poster, I think it's more like "I pay a subscription which costs almost as much as a DX11 graphics card - my affinity towards the publisher of the game is waning".

It's overkill for EVE, but EVE is not the only game.

AK

This space for rent.
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#83 - 2012-12-20 16:46:35 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
I dont think we need anything else slowing down the client. When they can get a 2000 man fleet fight to run smooth as butter with no disconnects then they can add more crap to it. Smile



Yes cause everyone blobs and we need graphics dumbed down to play this way Roll

Oderint Dum Metuant
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything.
#84 - 2012-12-20 16:46:44 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
So you bought tons of enthusiast hardware and are mad that it is overkill?


Without wishing to speak for the poster, I think it's more like "I pay a subscription which costs almost as much as a DX11 graphics card - my affinity towards the publisher of the game is waning".

It's overkill for EVE, but EVE is not the only game.

AK

can i have your stuff when you quit
MocNoc
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-12-20 16:50:12 UTC
For the love of all things holy please make it that a carrier looks and feels like a carrier class ship. Thanatos and Nyx are the same size and they smallish for a capital ship.
Vrexstus Mercana
Doomheim
#86 - 2012-12-20 17:53:27 UTC
i personally think the issue should be forced onto the player but rather as an optional requirment. most people dont have 2000$ they can just throw down on a gaming PC with bills to pay and what not.

Be that as it may im considering getting parts for a custom PC and have someone else build it for me.
Im not exactly tech savvy when it comes to the internal organs of a PC

"You Exist because we allow it....And you will die because we demand it.."
Callic Veratar
#87 - 2012-12-20 18:23:21 UTC
Futchmacht wrote:
Dropdown menu in graphics card settings

Option #1 DX 9/10

Option #2 DX 11

There are games that support both modes already.. i know it needs more HDD space if you switch from default DX9/10 the DX11 as well as the right video card but its not rocket appliances just more work :)


I wish I lived in your world where software development is so simple. Also more rocket appliances please.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#88 - 2012-12-20 18:26:57 UTC
Callic Veratar wrote:
Futchmacht wrote:
Dropdown menu in graphics card settings

Option #1 DX 9/10

Option #2 DX 11

There are games that support both modes already.. i know it needs more HDD space if you switch from default DX9/10 the DX11 as well as the right video card but its not rocket appliances just more work :)


I wish I lived in your world where software development is so simple. Also more rocket appliances please.


It is that simple, haven't you see Stargate Atlantis or Independence Day? Everything is plug and play these daysBig smile

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Callic Veratar
#89 - 2012-12-20 18:29:26 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
It is that simple, haven't you see Stargate Atlantis or Independence Day? Everything is plug and play these daysBig smile


They were really lucky in ID4 that the alien space ship fleet was running MacOS.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#90 - 2012-12-20 18:30:52 UTC
Callic Veratar wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
It is that simple, haven't you see Stargate Atlantis or Independence Day? Everything is plug and play these daysBig smile


They were really lucky in ID4 that the alien space ship fleet was running MacOS.


Even luckier they also happened to come up with the same CPU architectures and network stack as the 1990s humans. TCP/IP must be pretty damn awesome if aliens use it.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#91 - 2012-12-20 18:35:08 UTC
Vrexstus Mercana wrote:
i personally think the issue should be forced onto the player but rather as an optional requirment. most people dont have 2000$ they can just throw down on a gaming PC with bills to pay and what not.

Be that as it may im considering getting parts for a custom PC and have someone else build it for me.
Im not exactly tech savvy when it comes to the internal organs of a PC

A brand new $50 video card can run DX11 quite well.

For those that must run Windows, upgrades from Microsoft aren't all that much more than that.

You want to be on a system with 4GB RAM to run any decent games anyway.

You won't be running super-high resolution with all the bells and whistles enabled on a cheap machine, but it will still run DX11 and you aren't getting that now anyway if your system can only run DX9.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#92 - 2012-12-20 18:36:58 UTC
Buzzy Warstl wrote:

A brand new $50 video card can run DX11 quite well.


Oh and I'm sure it does hardware tessellation really awesome tooRoll

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2012-12-20 18:43:08 UTC
CCP Mankiller wrote:
Yes, mostly with their alts. Can't blame them...



I can. BTW...I believe they stated that it would be a years worth of man hours. A man hour is one man working for one hour. I doubt it would take a FULL year if all the devs were working on it.

I would expect that they could roll it out in one expansion if they wanted to. Then again...we got people using stone age PC's to play...so...yeah.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#94 - 2012-12-20 18:45:37 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
CCP Mankiller wrote:
Yes, mostly with their alts. Can't blame them...



I can. BTW...I believe they stated that it would be a years worth of man hours. A man hour is one man working for one hour. I doubt it would take a FULL year if all the devs were working on it.

I would expect that they could roll it out in one expansion if they wanted to. Then again...we got people using stone age PC's to play...so...yeah.


~man hours~

You make the wrong assumption that all devs are skilled in all areas. This is wrong. You also assume that simply tossing more devs on a project makes it go faster, and this is really wrong.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
K0n Fus10n
Investtan Inc.
The Republic.
#95 - 2012-12-20 19:25:33 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:


~man hours~

You make the wrong assumption that all devs are skilled in all areas. This is wrong. You also assume that simply tossing more devs on a project makes it go faster, and this is really wrong.


He will make an excellent CEO one day though...
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#96 - 2012-12-20 19:31:32 UTC
Futchmacht wrote:
CCP Mankiller wrote:
Tessellation REQUIRES DX11!

So first we have to roll out a dx11 client...

Working on it... but we need more dx11-capable customers... and that would be you...



Dropdown menu in graphics card settings

Option #1 DX 9/10

Option #2 DX 11

There are games that support both modes already.. i know it needs more HDD space if you switch from default DX9/10 the DX11 as well as the right video card but its not rocket appliances just more work :)

And if people can "see" the difference from youtube or a buddies house they will want to upgrade there rigs.. i have even done that to a friend from other games.. "how come my game does not look like that?" .. "because your graphics card sucks dude" :)


Its sounds easy user side, but from those who create it and have to maintain it, its a nightmare. Any change you add has to be working for both.

As I wrote before, EVE once had 2 clients: "Classic" and "Premium". It cost CCP too much time and resources to maintain them both: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=615
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#97 - 2012-12-20 19:35:11 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Buzzy Warstl wrote:

A brand new $50 video card can run DX11 quite well.


Oh and I'm sure it does hardware tessellation really awesome tooRoll

You just stopped reading right there, didn't you?

Sometimes I wonder if it's worth typing more than 3 words on these forums.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#98 - 2012-12-20 19:37:40 UTC
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Buzzy Warstl wrote:

A brand new $50 video card can run DX11 quite well.


Oh and I'm sure it does hardware tessellation really awesome tooRoll

You just stopped reading right there, didn't you?

Sometimes I wonder if it's worth typing more than 3 words on these forums.


I read it all, and its dumb.

HW tessellation is one of the higher end features of this thing. A low end card will NOT be able to take proper advantage of the technology. Besides, to take advantage of tessellation requires redoing all the game assets so they can be tessellated, that is unless you want to run DX11 for the sake of saying you use DX11.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Leriss Serenthius
CBC Interstellar
Goonswarm Federation
#99 - 2012-12-20 19:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Leriss Serenthius
I think that the best option would be to implement a system that would allow a user to pick a certain version of DirectX.

Easy example: The user would be able at the start of the EVELauncher to pick which version to choose (DX9 client with an option to upgrade to DX11 in the future by just clicking a proper tickbox later on in the settings or go straight for DX11 client).

Upon launch of DX11 client the DX9 client would be deprecated and only security/fixes would be released to it, no graphic/optimization improvement (except if there would be for example graphic glitches of course). I think that in time when the DX9 users will notice how much performance and shinies they can take advantage of when using the DX11 will make them upgrade their client via launcher to the DX11 one.

Also an option to buy a DX11 GFX card with PLEX's at least for the first ~3-6 months after DX11 client release might be a viable option for those with a lot of ISK's, and also minor profit for CCP maybe.
The CandyGirl
Candy's Toy Shop
#100 - 2012-12-20 23:08:49 UTC
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Captain Jaeger wrote:
CCP Mankiller wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I am a graphics programmer, I love everything new. But statistics show that only ~50% of the players run dx11-ready systems. So we don't want to shut them out for this
Why not having 2 clients then ? A DX9 one and a DX11 one. I know a very popular MMORPG that has 2 clients so everybody is happy. In addition with Windows 8 the latest version of DirectX isn't DX11 anymore but DX11.1 P
CCP's version control, code management and regression testing systems are already pushed past the breaking point with their single PC client version. Look at the bugs that get re-introduced and previously working features broken with each patch over the past five years. CCP managing the code base and testing regimen for two clients? Big smileBig smileBig smile

Also, Windows 8? Is anybody using that OS on a traditional PC? ShockedLol




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