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Am I the only one who doesn't believe a word of Hilmar's blog?
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Rex Garvin
Off-World Mining
#41 - 2011-10-07 08:17:39 UTC
Jason1138 wrote:
Maybe i'm just totally and completely cynical, and I've been lied to so often that I can't see how sincere he is now that he's finally seen the light or whatever


but i swear all i hear when i read that blog is "ok enough of you have un-subbed that i'm finally scared. please believe for the 10th time that I've gotten serious about this game and come back for awhile"


I thought that when everyone made such a fuss about rocket rebalancing (among other things) and Hilmar came on here and was like "ok ok i get it now. i'll fix eve" that THEN was the time he was finally on board with us and everything would be better? wasn't that what he said then?

just seems like more of the same now, and I honestly don't believe a word of it. I want to, but i don't. So am i the bitterest of bitter vets or is that pretty much what everyone else is thinking too?


Whats thier to believe. He says nothing about changing anything. He only says hes sorry.
Mallikanth
Wasters
#42 - 2011-10-07 08:24:37 UTC
Jason1138 wrote:
Maybe i'm just totally and completely cynical, and I've been lied to so often that I can't see how sincere he is now that he's finally seen the light or whatever


but i swear all i hear when i read that blog is "ok enough of you have un-subbed that i'm finally scared. please believe for the 10th time that I've gotten serious about this game and come back for awhile"


I thought that when everyone made such a fuss about rocket rebalancing (among other things) and Hilmar came on here and was like "ok ok i get it now. i'll fix eve" that THEN was the time he was finally on board with us and everything would be better? wasn't that what he said then?

just seems like more of the same now, and I honestly don't believe a word of it. I want to, but i don't. So am i the bitterest of bitter vets or is that pretty much what everyone else is thinking too?


While I understand your skepticism (to put it politely) It is an important and necessary step.
Of course words always have to be backed up with actions and that's what we all wait for - and not just in the next expansion but form here onwards.

Trust, once lost is impossible to get back fully.

However, I live in hope that he will be true to his word and no amount of tinhat wearing will change the matter (and may only make things worse).

Believe in what they do, not what they say.
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita
#43 - 2011-10-07 08:29:32 UTC
Because of the difficult economic climate, I have downgraded my expectations of CCP from "pioneering" to "surviving".

I'm even more cynical than the OP: I think the FiS plan requires less dev time than the WiS establishments plan (that has been stalled for now).
pussnheels
Viziam
#44 - 2011-10-07 08:30:45 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
I am wondering what you people actually want

I mean yes incarnia and the nex shop and other things was indeed something of a wrong marketing call on CCP s side
And they admitted this now they outline a path of ideas and improvements they working on that has been asked by the playerbase for a looong time and you are still complaining

Make up your mind , either stop playing and posting , more place for other people
Or just stop whinning


Goons Delenda Est

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#45 - 2011-10-07 08:37:43 UTC
Eh, what is there to believe?

Hilmar said it himself, "actions speak louder than words". Whether Hilmar and CCP decide to live up to it, is a different matter entirely and if you feel enough is enough, you as a consumer have that power to vote with your wallet.

Neither I or the community will stop you and nor is CCP. Go ahead.

I for one still manage to have fun when I play EVE regardless of monocles, inane "$1000 designer jeans" statements or apologetic blogs by the CEO of a game developer and what is what counts, right?

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#46 - 2011-10-07 08:42:53 UTC
I believe Hilmars words as much as I believe the stripper at the strip club down the street. She talks a good game, but in the end all she cares about is the money.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#47 - 2011-10-07 08:44:08 UTC
losing 20,000 people from the concurrent number, probably had something to do with the change of mind as well...

That would make anyone stand up and listen..even if they are not sincere..to be honest i think the years of 'we are not listening to you' attitude has taken its toll and ill be surprised if alot of those never come back..
Voivod Rhahk'an Anstian
Doomheim
#48 - 2011-10-07 08:50:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Voivod Rhahk'an Anstian
Oh I believe. I believe that he feels sorry for his wallet which is getting thinner each month. I also believe that he must be quite emotional about this.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#49 - 2011-10-07 08:50:24 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:

ill be surprised if alot of those never come back..


Or if they ever left. Rambling about quitting over this or that is something that our community excels at.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#50 - 2011-10-07 08:56:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Just Another Toon
Alpheias wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:

ill be surprised if alot of those never come back..


Or if they ever left. Rambling about quitting over this or that is something that our community excels at.


I think you will find that there has been 20k less people on the concurrent peak usage..Maybe the 'people' with multiple accounts may not have actually left, but having inactive accounts still loses money...
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#51 - 2011-10-07 08:57:18 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:

ill be surprised if alot of those never come back..


Or if they ever left. Rambling about quitting over this or that is something that our community excels at.


I think you will find that there has been 20k less people on the concurrent peak usage..Maybe the 'people' with multiple accounts may not have actually left, but having inactive accounts still loses money...


Nah. The game still lags in fights :P

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#52 - 2011-10-07 09:01:26 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:

ill be surprised if alot of those never come back..


Or if they ever left. Rambling about quitting over this or that is something that our community excels at.


I think you will find that there has been 20k less people on the concurrent peak usage..Maybe the 'people' with multiple accounts may not have actually left, but having inactive accounts still loses money...


Nah. The game still lags in fights :P


Cant disagree with ya there...Smile
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#53 - 2011-10-07 09:11:05 UTC
I believe a few things about this devblog.

Hilmar loves Eve, its his baby and anyone who has ever had a baby for a project knows that when it starts to fail or become discredited in anyway you take it personally and regardless of it was or wasn't your fault you hold yourself accountable. Its essentially an admission that ya "I ****** this up" and a promise "I will do better". Its just words of course but the first step in any process in which something positive comes out of something negatives requires you to actually admit that something was negative. Until you actually do that, you are still blind to the reasons for your failures. Its a hard thing to do and for a CEO to do it publicly is kind of unheard of actually. At least to my knowledge.

I also believe that he will act, but actions always take longer than the initial intent. Development projects are long and dreary process even when making games. As a mangager of people the only thing he can do is motivate them, assign them work and critique the work. As much as managers would like to do it themselves, their at the mercy of the people working for him. As such his actions to re-assign resources, assign tasks and get things moving is effectively all "he" can do. The rest is up to the team and the team needs time.

The only real question is what will the result be and while we can speculate based on past records in the end the only thing that matters at this moment is that we are once again moving **** in the right direction.

To me this whole thing is a positive move and while I'm also skeptical and have an instinct to be cynical, at this point as I sit here and watch the last 30 days of my account tick down with no real intention to renew unless things get better its a wait and see situation.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#54 - 2011-10-07 09:11:47 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I believe Hilmars words as much as I believe the stripper at the strip club down the street. She talks a good game, but in the end all she cares about is the money.

Hopefully she looks a bit better than Hilmar tho. Uh I don't know.. I mean if she does look like him it's okay, if you like that sort of thing. I wont judge you.. Ummm... You do what you like.
Punctator
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-10-07 09:19:45 UTC
maybe ccp is greedy but they are not stupid.
for what we can read on Hilmars blog, next expansion will be great, new t2, new drones (meybe scramble drones? Big smile)
so many tears have fallen there - or ccp will start have realy realy problems with old playerbase.
so in my opinion you are "just totally and completely cynical" - we should wait for new expansion and have hope.

my greatest hope is that they will change ship cargo in carriers and this change will be realy epic like from 1kkk to 3kkk m3 or something and thay develop scrambling drones. i think this time will not be situation like this ->
"Oh We rebalanced hybrids! it has 1.5% damage more now! - we are great, this will change all eve" on devblog because one monocle project is enough

so for now - i am optimistic.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#56 - 2011-10-07 09:24:50 UTC
Punctator wrote:
maybe ccp is greedy but they are not stupid.
for what we can read on Hilmars blog, next expansion will be great, new t2, new drones (meybe scramble drones? Big smile)
so many tears have fallen there - or ccp will start have realy realy problems with old playerbase.
so in my opinion you are "just totally and completely cynical" - we should wait for new expansion and have hope.

my greatest hope is that they will change ship cargo in carriers and this change will be realy epic like from 1kkk to 3kkk m3 or something and thay develop scrambling drones. i think this time will not be situation like this ->
"Oh We rebalanced hybrids! it has 1.5% damage more now! - we are great, this will change all eve" on devblog because one monocle project is enough

so for now - i am optimistic.


You maybe optimistic, but god damn its hard to follow wtf your saying.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2011-10-07 09:34:37 UTC
I take anything that comes from CCP "with a pinch of salt".

Reasons for this is that they have shown in the past to not often meet deadlines, and some things that is said/promised seems to vanish in thin air sometimes..

Golem • CCP In-Game Event 2011.11.23 • Nyio • Grenade?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#58 - 2011-10-07 09:58:58 UTC
You don't have to trust him. You only have to wait and see what results.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#59 - 2011-10-07 10:29:45 UTC
Friedrich Nietzsche made a good point when he wrote: "Not that you lied to me but that I no longer believe you - that is what has distressed me."

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
ISquishWorms
#60 - 2011-10-07 10:39:33 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
To quote Mittens "this is a bad post and you should feel bad for making it"...



This ^^

‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’.