Intergalactic Summit

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Why are you still breathing?

I agree, Captain Riordan. I hardly am much of a religious man, if I mentioned religion was because Captain Syagarius decided to use it to undermine my arguments. All I said is that the goal is what defines us, not freedom. Freedom is overrated. Which was the original post's argumentation.

What I find more amusing is your racist attitude, despite being non-ethnic Caldari yourself.


This observation aside, I cannot recall any instance in which the Ishukone corporation made a public agreement with CVA in regards to providing them "assistance." I believe the assistance you are referring to are the TCMCs that Ishukone produced, which, yes, they sold to Amarrian holders in order to reduce the use of the Vitoc drug for controlling slaves. My overall feelings towards my blood race are nonexistant, in all truthness. I arrived in the State with only my parents to inform me of my ancestral heritage, which even they could not remember. Thus, I cannot truly connect with the Minmatar people as I have no awareness of ever being a part of it beyond my own appearance. Much as a duckling adopting the first thing it sees move as its mother, I adopted the Caldari heritage as my own.




This is partially true. For a time I-RED did consider CVA to be allies. However there is no friendship that remains between the two. Perhaps you should have also mentioned I-RED's more recent campaign in Providence in which we sought to deal damage against CVA and their slave trade? Or perhaps the Cal-Matari Program, headed by myself, which actively sought to secure and foster a better relationship between the State and the Republic?

Regardless, whether or not I-RED helped CVA in their slave raids I cannot say, as I was not in I-RED at the time. However I am going to venture a wild guess here and say they didn't, as involvement in slave trade of any kind is against State law.

I hope I cleared up any of your misconceptions. So, please, before you waste any more effort in this thread, read up a bit on the laws of your own nation before you make more false and misguided accusations. Fair profits.

Don't make yourself out to be completely without virtue. The Caldari way of life is hard - to succeed in it, your parents had to survive, and then thrive, in a strange new culture, with different customs. You had to strive against many others for the privileges you enjoy, and, of course, by our law, you also deserve all the success you have accrued. There are many ethnic Caldari that fail the test of meritocracy. Don't sell yourself short.

Whether you are siding with enemies and attacking military forces of the State, it will just make you an enemy, one of many who we are fighting daily.
However, if at the same time you accept Caldari heritage and dare to speak words of loyalty to the State or any of our Corporations, this makes you a TRAITOR.

What does now mean? Do you realize WHEN he said this? Wake up! How many years have passed?

It was BEFORE the war. And do you know what does WAR mean? It is when peoples kill other peoples. Caldari kill gallente, and gallente kill caldari. Even by selling weapons to gallente, you help them kill Caldari. So, what you prefer, to stay aside and let them kill our families? Maybe you just don't consider them your families and your people?
But, well, I don't know why I am telling this, since you was not only helping those, who were killing Caldari, but you killed Caldari yourself as well.

Besides, it wasn't very wise to quote such words of a man, who actually was killed by gallente!


As I said, taking into account your actions, I have zero belief in your bare words. You need something more.

And the quote you just cited before, contradict your words, because now, now as today, while we are at war, not attacking Gallente means allowing them to win, allowing Caldari to lose, and allowing Caldari to die. Whatever it could be, but it is definitely not loyalty to the Caldari State.

((double post))

Selling weapons was just an example, you don't have to justify your corp on this matter (however, it makes some points to ponder about, like did corp really trade weapons or no?)
And, about telling what your corp did and what did not, there are some solid evidences that I-REDs made blue pact with Federal Militia Corporation !!! And not just set them blue, but made whole treaty and boasted about it here, in IGS.

And really, I do not care, if gallenteans actually wish to inflict death to State peoples, or just crying their fake 'humanist' tears while killing Caldari. I know what they are doing in fact, and I am ready to give my life to stop them. And also I know that it is this Federation government who are actually sending them to kill Caldari people.


Combating Guristas, Serpentis, and at the same time flying together with enemies of the State killing those, who protect State citizens from being slaughtered. Very nice, indeed.
I wouldn't surprise that you are actually combating Guristas and Serpentis only because they attack you.

Well, just, really, almost everyone combats Guristas, unless they are guri themselves. Federal lapdogs fight them too.

And being a shareholder doesn't make you loyal. But whom are you working for, does.

And since you worked before on us, and even served in Caldari Navy, this makes your treason even more disgraceful.

Unfortunately, this comes into quite personal discussion, that I'd like to avoid. Im not an HR manager and I have no interests in hiring you. Your previous exploits have no meaning to me, I judge others by actions. And every time I deal with you, you act as enemy of the State, not a friend. Answer, what I was looking from you, was not in words, but in actions.

Until you start acting like State loyalist and not State enemy, your words will just remain empty lies.

Hmpf, I've flown missions for distribution agents for each the four nations in my time, including a few companies with the Republic. Only a psychopath or a barbarian would consider delivering food or medical supplies to people in need as an act of "treason," not that there is any shortage of such nut-jobs out there. And if someone is offering me money to shoot down Blood Raiders and their type then I don't care who is signing the check.

Point being, "loyalty" is just a vague idea as "nationality" when you step back an look at it. As a citizen of the Mandate, my loyalty is to God and Empire - in that order, and I dare the Theology Council to try to question that. It is duty to our Faith that drives us.

Korsavius isn't the only Matari in the State, or the Federation, or even the Empire. Less than half of my own company are ethnically Amarrian. I think you'll find the same is true of most of the large capsuleers corporations out there too. I know this may seem like a paradox, but it is our nature to think outside the box of our own nationalism even while promoting it.

Most of our governments would give no sanction to our capsuleer companies producing & trading goods freely across borders as we are all prone to do. Yet we do so with just as much impunity as the nullsec alliances that exist in the fringes beyond civilization. Do they try to stop us? Not in the least.

On one hand we capsuleers have the power the instigate wars, but on the other we also have to power to promote peace. It's simple: Our freedom of travel let's us see more of the galaxy in a single day than most dirtside citizens will ever see in their lifetimes. This gives us perspective. I doubt that the sabre rattling leaders in war rooms of any nation have ever actually come face-to-face with the "enemy" or even left their own borders in years. But we have. And because of this we know things about the "enemy" that our own governments often have trouble grasping. And because we have so much freedom - freedom to travel, freedom to trade, freedom from nationalistic leashes - we have the freedom to not be mindless robots who blindly shoot at anything remotely different than ourselves.

Where nationalists see enemies we see opportunities. Being potentially immortal, we can see into the long term in ways they never can. And because we are potentially immortal we have to see in the long term better than they can. We have to think beyond this or that fleet engagement or even who's flag is on one planet or another. We have to look at how things shape societies over the coming centuries.

And that is why sane capsuleers don't look at maps and say "How can we destroy those people utterly?" Instead we look at the map and say "How will the prolonged interaction of these two societies over the next century cause each other the change? Will they change? Which one will surpass the other? Which will learn more from the other? Which will prosper and grow? Which will eventually fade away or destroy itself?"

I live in a hybrid nation so I see this around me every day. My own perspective is simple enough...

The Gallente? They offer us beauty. We need only filter out the decadence.
The Caldari? They offer us efficiency. We need only remember not lose our souls in the process.
The Republic? Er, well they offer me money to deliver medicine & toilet paper. Maybe someday. I'm not giving up hope just yet.

The point is when I look at another nation I don't look at planets needing to be conquered. I look at what they have offer us and what we could teach them in exchange. Planets are just lumps of rocks. People are what matters. And borders... borders are just imaginary lines in our heads.

Oh, no, no. I don't really want to turn this discussion to nationality. And as well the situation with CVA is quite irrelevant. And the question is not in the side, whom they deliver 'medicine and toilet paper'.

The question of loyalty is not so vague and becomes quite clear, when one corporation, mentioned before, while claiming loyalty to the State, declares war to another corporation, who fights for the State, and allies with gallente militia corporation, who openly fights against the State.