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Bane Necran

Appono Astos

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#141 - 2012-12-20 06:11:57 UTC

Hannah Flex wrote:

I saw someone in the Help channel today asking if anyone knew of a good "mining timer" a timer he could set to alert him to come back to his computer and move product.

Now thats some engaging PVE right there Roll

Least they're logging in.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Fruga MorDanKin

Atlastra Space Services

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#142 - 2012-12-30 05:13:13 UTC

So I've been around the Knights of the New Order area for a few days now and I'd like to say the following:

First, I am also opposed to AFK mining. In fact, any AFK activities. Back when Ultima Online came on, I was with a ganking squad that took out AFK skill builders. So I know where the idea is coming from. And if they did nothing but AFK miner harassment, I'd pay them 100m ISK for their work.

However, they do not target AFK miners but require all miners to pay 10m to be left alone. That's extortion and I don't abide by it. They have destroyed many non AFK miners through their exploits.

And there is no fighting them. For the most part, they are on throw away characters. I have only seen two that are over 30 days old. They don't care about their ships and the bounties they produce when killed are pitiful. In essence, they are causing harassment. The fact that most aren't using their main characters to do this lets you know that they also know it is wrong. The game punishes people for such harassment so they're avoiding it with the new characters.

Now many people say 'so what?' Fair enough, the game does have things that can be used to defend against them. Because of their low value ships and tactics, a bit of armoring can protect you from them until Concord arrives. I've seen it happen a few times. But the game doesn't really allow for proper defense against their tactics.

That's why I suggest if you really feel that they're harassing you, send a petition about it - even if you think it won't do anything. One, or even a hundred won't cause them to move but thousands may have them perk up and take notice.

In the end, I like the idea that they started with, but now it's just become a bully group that there is no real way to stop them.

Wescro

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

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#143 - 2012-12-30 11:21:09 UTC | Edited by: Wescro

Fruga MorDanKin wrote:

In essence, they are causing harassment.

It's funny in a game where it's perfectly acceptable to pay people to kill someone, somehow it is harassment to pay people not to kill you. Smile

If you don't like the idea of non-consensual PvP, there are many, many MMOs that will be more to your liking. In fact, EVE is almost unique in this regard.

Also, it's not like the miners have no choice, as it stands, a vigilant smart player can easily mine in safety. It all boils down to an overbearing sense of entitlement that miners have gotten over the years that CCP has been coddling them. Now they want everything their way. Why shouldn't they? It's what they've always got. Why should the miner have to take even the most basic precaution, it's obviously all other players who must accommodate the miners play-style!

The New Order is popular because it is antithetical to that entitled thought process. Don't look towards others for help and don't whine and complain. It's advisable that you learn to adapt to the gankers and fit a tank, orbit the ice, move to a quieter higher security system and watch local. To that end, we are doing the miners a favor by letting them supplant all that effort by paying a token gratuity.

http://crossingzebras.com/2013/02/17/csm8ripardteg/

Gillia Winddancer

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#144 - 2012-12-30 11:38:56 UTC

Fruga MorDanKin wrote:

The only problem I see here is the fact that they are recycling characters and not that they are extorting miners.

Wescro

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

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#145 - 2012-12-30 11:48:57 UTC | Edited by: Wescro

Gillia Winddancer wrote:

The only problem I see here is the fact that they are recycling characters and not that they are extorting miners.

This part is incorrect. We have permanent dedicated ganking alts. No alt has been biomassed to avoid the consequences of ganking miners. We live with the consequences, adapt to the restrictions of low sec status, and using the game mechanics, we try to achieve our goals the best we can.

Over time we have learned to manipulate (not avoid or escape) but manipulate Concord so that we can gank before they kill us. The discipline required to FC a gank fleet is incredible. Coordinated undocks, cloaky warp ins, rotating belts we hit to manage concord; we actually strive to improve our game through an understanding of how it works and leveraging it in our favor.

EDIT: Just today, we got our first quadruple Retriever kill. A single squad split DPS four ways and we took down 4 Retrievers closely clumped together. It was truly a glorious feat of planning and execution.

This is in stark contrast to the afk miner, whose toolbox only contains one tactic: whine and complain.

http://crossingzebras.com/2013/02/17/csm8ripardteg/

Gillia Winddancer

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#146 - 2012-12-30 12:10:24 UTC

Wescro wrote:

Gillia Winddancer wrote:

The only problem I see here is the fact that they are recycling characters and not that they are extorting miners.

Word against word then. Not that it'd be hard to clear it, but if what you say is true then...carry on

Randolph Rothstein

whatever corp.

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#147 - 2012-12-30 12:23:24 UTC

i feel like this whole minerbumping stupidity was blown out of proportion

i actually expected (not knowing the number of bumpers) that they would be able to influence market,it didnt happen which goes to show that their bussines has been rather pathetic considering there is trilion isk market just few jumps away - its just doesnt validate the amount of threads it spawned

i doubt many players have problem with them,those who pay show rather lazyness than bending over - you can alway move to a safer systems and mine there,even if you dont have freighter to move large quantities there is always red frog

so let them do what they do,the only problem would arise if they started to abuse players in chat which would be probably dealt with accordingly by ccp

btw i know that if you pay you have to write something into your bio (correct me if im wrong) - id very carefull about that,because that can totaly be seen as griefing

Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 2,837
Sarah Schneider Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic Likes received: 2,837	#148 - 2012-12-30 13:02:32 UTC People afk mining because the mechanics allows and promotes that particular activity to be done that way. Blame CCP. "I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave

Azn Empire 21,366
Mag's Azn Empire Likes received: 21,366	#149 - 2012-12-30 13:04:52 UTC Gillia Winddancer wrote: The only problem I see here is the fact that they are recycling characters and not that they are extorting miners. You have proof to back this up, of course? Or are you just flapping your gums? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.