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Why do most afk while mining?

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Dave Stark
#81 - 2012-12-18 19:20:07 UTC
Jason13 Anzomi wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
it's a fact that mining requires 0 interaction. hence why people afk mine ice because they can literally leave the house and go to the shop, walk the dog etc, because there's no need to interact with the game in anyway in order to be able to mine.


Isn't it odd how the only people saying such things are people who are against mining in general?

If they tried mining while 100% afk out walking the dog, I've no doubt they'd quickly be complaining about how they lost their mining ship. Roll


not really. if i didn't have to tab back every time an asteroid popped i'd be walking the dog too. the simple fact is nobody really tries to gank miners "for lulz" or "because they hate afkers". hulkageddon excluded. unless some one is handing you a stack of isk to suicide people, it simply doesn't happen often enough for it to be a "thing".

****, i've lost 2 mining ships in my entire life, one of them was a t1 barge during hulkageddon, that's why it was t1. the second, was a corp mate ******* around.

i've yet to see a mining barge, of mine or belonging to another player get shot at in high sec outside of hulkageddon.
Matopicus
Blackwell Mining
#82 - 2012-12-18 19:24:14 UTC
You know i don't get people... i mean how many of you whiners are actual miners? I mean this is a case of a child whining that somebody else got a different toy that doesn't match yours exactly and you want that kids toy taken away.

This game really is full of people who just don't understand that not everybody plays the game the same. You pay your $15 a month and i pay my $15 a month. You like killing/popping ships every chance you get i like making ships and mining. During my "afk" mining i'm actually at my computer in game chatting with friends and corp mates, i'm also doing PI, checking market orders, checking market fluctuations and planning what my next manufacturing run is going to be.

But wait you want to screw the miner? I mean you like your shinny little ship that allows you to pop other ships? Possibly even miners? Well somebody had to mine that ore (or salvage it) also somebody had to make that ship right?

This whole "hate the miners" thing this game has is so childish... i mean really guys.
Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Doomheim
#83 - 2012-12-18 19:59:46 UTC
Matopicus wrote:
You know i don't get people... i mean how many of you whiners are actual miners? I mean this is a case of a child whining that somebody else got a different toy that doesn't match yours exactly and you want that kids toy taken away.

This game really is full of people who just don't understand that not everybody plays the game the same. You pay your $15 a month and i pay my $15 a month. You like killing/popping ships every chance you get i like making ships and mining. During my "afk" mining i'm actually at my computer in game chatting with friends and corp mates, i'm also doing PI, checking market orders, checking market fluctuations and planning what my next manufacturing run is going to be.

But wait you want to screw the miner? I mean you like your shinny little ship that allows you to pop other ships? Possibly even miners? Well somebody had to mine that ore (or salvage it) also somebody had to make that ship right?

This whole "hate the miners" thing this game has is so childish... i mean really guys.



A lot of it has to do with bored Pvp'ers who can't find enough targets at the time they are playing. Most can't think beyond their own personal satisfaction.

It's nothing personal. They just need something to do, so they just invent some justification of their behavior and try to get game mechanics changed to suit their chosen form of gameplay.

Most are too narrow minded to realize that if everything that they ask were done, Hi Sec would become the same ghost town that Low and Null are often today.
Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2012-12-18 20:00:52 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

quite sad that this is true, tbh.

Not if I can help itTwisted

so you're flooding the market with low end minerals to force the prices down? good to know.


Actually I'm doing it for lulz and tears.. and also the salvage. But if you want to say "flooding the market with low end minerals to force the prices down" then that works too!


i was more suggesting that 1 bored player in high sec is totally irrelevant to high sec being the place to mine.


The way I see it, every pilot like Starfox is a little bit more ISK in my bank. They keep the mineral prices inflated, and demand for ships/mod/ammo high. It's a true miners dream Pirate

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-12-18 20:02:37 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Fix gatecamps too! Maybe have the billboards play a few episodes of Bones or something


Excellent proposal.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-12-18 20:14:06 UTC
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
Most are too narrow minded to realize that if everything that they ask were done, Hi Sec would become the same ghost town that Low and Null are often today.


And what else do you think those really want?

-> finish "their" level, thinking there's another one to farm for
->slap CCP with intelligent words like "incompetent" and "lack of imagination", because it's obvious they're smarter Roll
->ragequit because they don't have targets any more, rage a little bit more over high sec and CCP

Bah, just leave them do whatever, play when you have fun and stop playing when you have none. Don't worry about anything like those, it's a waste of your time for no changes.

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Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-12-18 20:33:29 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
Most are too narrow minded to realize that if everything that they ask were done, Hi Sec would become the same ghost town that Low and Null are often today.


And what else do you think those really want?

-> finish "their" level, thinking there's another one to farm for
->slap CCP with intelligent words like "incompetent" and "lack of imagination", because it's obvious they're smarter Roll
->ragequit because they don't have targets any more, rage a little bit more over high sec and CCP

Bah, just leave them do whatever, play when you have fun and stop playing when you have none. Don't worry about anything like those, it's a waste of your time for no changes.


That is generally what I do.

Though, I suspect that many think by making Hi Sec a ghost town, the population will migrate to Low and Null since that is where all the rewards would then be located and that by default will make Null and Low suit their desires.
I don't think this would be the end result.

They will just succeed in making Eve a ghost town.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#88 - 2012-12-18 20:48:46 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
i was more suggesting that 1 bored player in high sec is totally irrelevant to high sec being the place to mine.

If this is in reference to me, there's a lot more than just 1, yes that's why I created this char, but there are more players that gank than just me. And it's not boring, at all. Now mining...

Dave stark wrote:
Jason13 Anzomi wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
it's a fact that mining requires 0 interaction. hence why people afk mine ice because they can literally leave the house and go to the shop, walk the dog etc, because there's no need to interact with the game in anyway in order to be able to mine.


Isn't it odd how the only people saying such things are people who are against mining in general?

If they tried mining while 100% afk out walking the dog, I've no doubt they'd quickly be complaining about how they lost their mining ship. Roll


not really. if i didn't have to tab back every time an asteroid popped i'd be walking the dog too. the simple fact is nobody really tries to gank miners "for lulz" or "because they hate afkers". hulkageddon excluded. unless some one is handing you a stack of isk to suicide people, it simply doesn't happen often enough for it to be a "thing".

****, i've lost 2 mining ships in my entire life, one of them was a t1 barge during hulkageddon, that's why it was t1. the second, was a corp mate ******* around.

i've yet to see a mining barge, of mine or belonging to another player get shot at in high sec outside of hulkageddon.

You could ask some of my miner friends, they would tell you a different story. And you are aware that Hulkageddon is fo... Oh nvm.

Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
The way I see it, every pilot like Starfox is a little bit more ISK in my bank. They keep the mineral prices inflated, and demand for ships/mod/ammo high. It's a true miners dream Pirate

Glad I could be of serviceCool



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Matopicus
Blackwell Mining
#89 - 2012-12-18 20:52:58 UTC
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
...
They will just succeed in making Eve a ghost town.


I agree with this.
Garrison Woods
Doomheim
#90 - 2012-12-18 20:57:58 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Garrison Woods wrote:
Afk mine all you want.

Know this though, if I or one my ilk catch you unawares, we will blow up your barge and squish your pod.

Action/consequence, risk/reward and all that stuff. Cool

Regards,

Garrison Woods
Knight of the New Order of Hi-Sec.



considering mining requires 0 interaction, and therefore you have no way to tell if some one is afk or not i wish you good luck with carrying that out without shooting people who aren't afk.



It is actually remarkably easy to tell if someone is afk or not. Think about it for a minute, don't worry I'll wait.
Dave Stark
#91 - 2012-12-18 20:59:20 UTC
Garrison Woods wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Garrison Woods wrote:
Afk mine all you want.

Know this though, if I or one my ilk catch you unawares, we will blow up your barge and squish your pod.

Action/consequence, risk/reward and all that stuff. Cool

Regards,

Garrison Woods
Knight of the New Order of Hi-Sec.



considering mining requires 0 interaction, and therefore you have no way to tell if some one is afk or not i wish you good luck with carrying that out without shooting people who aren't afk.



It is actually remarkably easy to tell if someone is afk or not. Think about it for a minute, don't worry I'll wait.



why bother thinking about it. the answer is irrelevant to me.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-12-18 21:03:16 UTC
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
Most are too narrow minded to realize that if everything that they ask were done, Hi Sec would become the same ghost town that Low and Null are often today.


And what else do you think those really want?

-> finish "their" level, thinking there's another one to farm for
->slap CCP with intelligent words like "incompetent" and "lack of imagination", because it's obvious they're smarter Roll
->ragequit because they don't have targets any more, rage a little bit more over high sec and CCP

Bah, just leave them do whatever, play when you have fun and stop playing when you have none. Don't worry about anything like those, it's a waste of your time for no changes.


That is generally what I do.

Though, I suspect that many think by making Hi Sec a ghost town, the population will migrate to Low and Null since that is where all the rewards would then be located and that by default will make Null and Low suit their desires.
I don't think this would be the end result.

They will just succeed in making Eve a ghost town.




Let them do, let them say, let them ask, let them beg on their knees and slurp CCP's Avatar for it if they think it's worthy to achieve their goal.

This is just another poor thread, and like this one you have dozens popping every year, some times several per week from some pale "never-see-the-sun" nerd with his 38th alt because it's very important for him.

Bah...

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Garrison Woods
Doomheim
#93 - 2012-12-18 21:07:46 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Jason13 Anzomi wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
it's a fact that mining requires 0 interaction. hence why people afk mine ice because they can literally leave the house and go to the shop, walk the dog etc, because there's no need to interact with the game in anyway in order to be able to mine.


Isn't it odd how the only people saying such things are people who are against mining in general?

If they tried mining while 100% afk out walking the dog, I've no doubt they'd quickly be complaining about how they lost their mining ship. Roll


not really. if i didn't have to tab back every time an asteroid popped i'd be walking the dog too. the simple fact is nobody really tries to gank miners "for lulz" or "because they hate afkers". hulkageddon excluded. unless some one is handing you a stack of isk to suicide people, it simply doesn't happen often enough for it to be a "thing".

****, i've lost 2 mining ships in my entire life, one of them was a t1 barge during hulkageddon, that's why it was t1. the second, was a corp mate ******* around.

i've yet to see a mining barge, of mine or belonging to another player get shot at in high sec outside of hulkageddon.



Funny that. The New Order has recently topped 60 Billion isk in destroyed mining barges and pods, and we're just warming up. I assure you it isn't hard or terribly expensive to murder barges, especially when you work as a team. Most of my gank fits are less than 2 million isk.

Oh and, at least for me, profit has nothing to do with it. I gank because I love Eve, and because I strongly disapprove of bot/bot-aspirant gameplay and entitled whiny carebears.

hth

Regards,

Garrison Woods
Knight of the New Order of Hi-Sec.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-12-18 21:12:19 UTC
Zero Audier wrote:
Your sitting there, watching lasers turn as you mine a roid. Oh the occasional rat will come, but you get to see your drones circle & kill it within 10 seconds. Some action right? Super exiting isn't it? It's god dam torture, and unless it was more interactive/ required player input (for the mining itself), people will continue to go afk while mining.


Basically because the gameplay itself is not very fun, watching the cycles go on mining lasers is not fun. Of course this only applies to highsec mining.

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Dave Stark
#95 - 2012-12-18 21:16:22 UTC
Garrison Woods wrote:
Funny that. The New Order has recently topped 60 Billion isk in destroyed mining barges and pods, and we're just warming up. I assure you it isn't hard or terribly expensive to murder barges, especially when you work as a team. Most of my gank fits are less than 2 million isk.

Oh and, at least for me, profit has nothing to do with it. I gank because I love Eve, and because I strongly disapprove of bot/bot-aspirant gameplay and entitled whiny carebears.

hth

Regards,

Garrison Woods
Knight of the New Order of Hi-Sec.



i refer back to when i pointed out a few bored players don't really have much of an impact. if you guys enjoy that kind of thing; power to you.

those new order people (they really needed to pick a better name) are, as far as i've been able to tell, just sitting in one system bumping players in ice belts.

you say you disapprove of bot-aspirant gameplay but when you really get down to it, the only difference between a miner popping an asteroid, and a combat pilot popping a ship is how long it takes. miner hits f1, and waits until the asteroid pops, combat pilot hits f1 and waits until the enemy ship pops. neither style of gameplay is particularly "engaging". all the combat pilot does is swap target more frequently, let's face it if every mission was "warp to location and kill the big ship with an OTT amount of ehp" people would instantly switch to amarr ships, hit f1, and come back when the big ship was destroyed. pretty much the same as ice mining, except you wait for a full cargohold instead of a loot can to pop up.

the entire game revolves around "hit f1 and wait" whether you like it or not.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#96 - 2012-12-18 21:18:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Garrison Woods is right, ganking barges is cheap, unless you get a hulk with a meta 6 extender and a brick tank, saw the fit the other day, had to admire the guys determination to survive a gank.

Why do people afk mine?, 2 words, it's boring.

Ttochpej wrote:
Things to do while mining

Scan asteroids so you can stop lasers and don't wast a full cycle.
Scan asteroids so you can stop lasers when asteroid is almost depleted leaving a belt full of hollow asteroids.
Take an armor repping drone and repair other drones.
Update your skill queue.
Take a salvage drone and salvage other wreaks in the belt.
fit a scan prob launcher and scan out the system.
check the market and update orders.
Try and figure out if manufacturing ____ is profitable.
Read bio's of other players in local.
Read the internet.
Try and figure out a Battle fit for the orca.
go afk and get RL stuff done.


I though the entire idea of half the stuff in eve was that it is a game you can still play when you don't have enough time to play games. That is why there is Skill training in real time, mining, manufacturing, research, inventing, PI, playing the market, aft hauling, etc...


As far as I'm concerned this guy is doing it almost right, his list pretty much covers what I do when mining, especially the second, it annoys hulk gangs Lol, they only things I don't do on there are go afk or build a battleorca, because I can't fly one.

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#97 - 2012-12-18 21:36:58 UTC
Zero Audier wrote:
Your sitting there, watching lasers turn as you mine a roid. Oh the occasional rat will come, but you get to see your drones circle & kill it within 10 seconds. Some action right? Super exiting isn't it? It's god dam torture, and unless it was more interactive/ required player input (for the mining itself), people will continue to go afk while mining.

There are people who choose this activity precisely because it's all they have the ability to do while they are busy. I myself mine while doing laundry or other house chores. It gives me at least 3 minutes to look at something besides the screen; I believe this is not a bad thing. Of course there should be some kind of dangerous, more interesting, and more lucrative mining activity... but kindly leave the relaxing part of the game alone.

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Dave Stark
#98 - 2012-12-18 21:37:46 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Of course there should be some kind of dangerous, more interesting, and more lucrative mining activity...


you mean, like mining in 0.0?
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#99 - 2012-12-18 21:39:12 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Garrison Woods wrote:
Funny that. The New Order has recently topped 60 Billion isk in destroyed mining barges and pods, and we're just warming up. I assure you it isn't hard or terribly expensive to murder barges, especially when you work as a team. Most of my gank fits are less than 2 million isk.

Oh and, at least for me, profit has nothing to do with it. I gank because I love Eve, and because I strongly disapprove of bot/bot-aspirant gameplay and entitled whiny carebears.

hth

Regards,

Garrison Woods
Knight of the New Order of Hi-Sec.



i refer back to when i pointed out a few bored players don't really have much of an impact. if you guys enjoy that kind of thing; power to you.

those new order people (they really needed to pick a better name) are, as far as i've been able to tell, just sitting in one system bumping players in ice belts.

you say you disapprove of bot-aspirant gameplay but when you really get down to it, the only difference between a miner popping an asteroid, and a combat pilot popping a ship is how long it takes. miner hits f1, and waits until the asteroid pops, combat pilot hits f1 and waits until the enemy ship pops. neither style of gameplay is particularly "engaging". all the combat pilot does is swap target more frequently, let's face it if every mission was "warp to location and kill the big ship with an OTT amount of ehp" people would instantly switch to amarr ships, hit f1, and come back when the big ship was destroyed. pretty much the same as ice mining, except you wait for a full cargohold instead of a loot can to pop up.

the entire game revolves around "hit f1 and wait" whether you like it or not.


I don't believe he was comparing PvE to Mining, but rather PvP to Mining. In which case there is a huge difference. I agree with you ..a bit on the PvE and Mining. Because, essentially you are running the same course of action/s. However, no matter how you look at it, PvE -as boring as it can get- is still more fun than Mining... Though if you are in a nice fleet with a group of friends/corpmates you know and are having a good time with conversation, then I could see Mining being fun and engaging. But, nevertheless level 4's are still more fun than Mining. And PvP is way more engaging than Mining will ever be. I think most of us can agree on at least that and I reread your post and looks like you were comparing it to PvE combat missions, so no need to continue.

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AstraPardus
Earthside Mixlabs
#100 - 2012-12-18 21:39:30 UTC
My alt is AFK mining while I do most things...so...free materials, why not?
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