EVE General Discussion

But you can still upgrade Sov Nullsec, which you cannot do in NPC nullsec... That, by itself, leaves a major difference between the two... Perhaps non-strategic IHUB upgrades should be "install-able" by all people too...

Simple, replace the standing system with the wardec.
If you are hostile no docking.
If you are neutral (not in alliance) you pay a fee just like in a normal station (make it the same as with pocos)
If you are friendly, then same as above.


As for the whole enemies could hide a fleet, war dec them instead of just pretending they are.
Oh and make bubbles follow the same rules as cans for deploying.
Thus drag bubbles will work but now you have to actually man your traps instead of just leaving them.
That and have them be 1 warp strength and T2 be 2 warp.

Now suddenly people can actually get into sov null and do something at least.

Another option is to have stations have a rental fee much like offices.
If your alliance doesnt pay the fee it goes back to neutral.
The fee should be increasing each month such that holding them all represents a challenge and thus forcing a certain value to which station you maintain and which go neutral.
Also the one per system limit is foolish and should be removed.
And replaced with one per planet.
Even in wh space, though there it will always be neutral as no one can claim sov.

So this would open null up more to other people, force action on the part of those holding space, and allow the much wanted industry in null by increasing the local ease.
Unfortunately it would remove the current easy mode in null that allows power centralization and would increase the turn over in territory.
Sadly this would ruin the ways of many glorious null bears as they must deal with people out to get them.
But then there are plenty of empty systems they can play in that no one cares about.

We said sov warfare and the sov turnover.
None of that is compatible with the continued holding of space by one owner.
Besides if they are in your station, then its easier to surround them.
And if you are the hostiles, then its good because you are surrounded and thus cant miss when you shoot.

Where do people get the idea that when when people complain about sov warfare what they're really trying to say is "geez, I wish a 5 man corp could move next door, harass our industry, muck up our markets, and then dock in our stations while spamming youtube links in local?

Your kidding right ?
Blow up the station no but damaging OH yeh.

Come on I would be disappointed if I brought a small hand full of guys out and you made me damage your station.
That is just the excuse to come out and play with a hand full of your guys.

Raiding is no fun if your target doesn't respond.

So come out and ******* shoot something! You can already do exactly what you're asking for.

There's crap all over Deklein you could come shoot, and I promise, you'll get a fight.

So what are you waiting for?

Having to constantly repair crap all over null sec would be tedious.

Please show me where I can find people praising the joy that is fueling jump bridges and structures.
Seriously, is EVE to much fun for some of you?

No, they'll get triage carriers repping the thing and a blob that by far outnumbers them.

And a Boat.

Umm you are stuck on the whole opening up the station to everyone thing.
Don't get me wrong I agree with you there and have from the beginning that is too much.
In fact I would rather see SOV be pushed down to the Corp level.
That is where all the control is anyways/

But either way we have both gone way of the point of the thread which is all access which we both agree is too much and ultimately a different solution needs to be found.

I am perfectly will to debate the other subjects in another thread though

I suggested that hostiles, those you have war decced, cant dock.
Rather than the current standings thing.
Now as I am understanding one involves a few clicks a week, and the other involves many clicks.
Besides if the small group moves in next door, you can still crush them.
The issue as you are not stating is you do not desire any competition.
Which is where the other clause about going to warm and fluffy hisec comes in and the obligatory HTFU.
Being in null means you want fights, hi means you dont, and low means you are okay with the possibility of their being a fight.
Also if you arent using the system and dont want some one to set up, then use the system.
I mean that is the complaint on the phantom cloaker.
Taking advantage of stuff without input or effort.
Same as with bots and other AFK stuff.

Personally, I'm not a fan of having a Station Controller with the ability to kick people out of a station... Not at all....



This change is not about making your life easy.... It's about improving the game by giving people more "staying power". Currently, it's very easy to evict players from a system... destroy their POS, remove their access to a station, and they can linger but they cannot live there.... This allows you, and your friends, to remove most threats within many regions of you.

In short, this is to stop you and your purple friends from shooting yourself in the foot... Removing all hostiles in the area is BAD for the game... as it creates large stagnant zones across most of EvE. How is it good for the game when you have to travel 50 systems to find a hostile group to mess with??? How is it good for the game when 95% of nullsec is controlled by a few powerblocks that essentially inhibit small groups from expanding into nullsec?

I understand that you don't want to deal with nearby threats, but having them around is generally good for the game. When I fly a small gang into the VFK area, people undock and start hunting us, they suddenly have purpose.... Truth be told, to most of Sov Nullsec, a small group of hostiles entering the area is typically the most exciting thing that happens....

And lets be frank... people generally won't just move into VFK.... you'll outnumber them, camp them into station, and make it unplayable if they do.... In general, people will move into the "under-used" stations... they'll take advantage of your "off hours" and setup shop then... The result will be more targets for you, more targets for them, and more utilized space....

So please explain... while you may not want it from a "This is my home, stay out" perspective, why, from the general game play standpoint, do you think this is bad for the game??