EVE General Discussion

The issue it extremely simple.

Huge alliances of pirates conquer huge areas of nullsec space. Instead of building an empire in which people can actually live, they choose to kill everyone who enter their space.

They then get bored and proceed to the forums where they cry to CCP in hope they will nerf high sec. Why? So more people enter their gate camps to get instantly killed.

There is no denying this.



Now, what they could actually do;

Build an empire (Look up Empire Builder, it's actually a role CCP wants you to take), create a place where citizenship is possible. INVITE people to live in your empire instead of killing everyone who enters.



Nullsec alliances: NEWSFLASH
You're not an empire. You're a clutch of pirates who kill everyone in sight. No wonder you can't compete with the four NPC empires (hisec) when you're not even trying to be an empire.


If you actually want to build an empire, then ask CCP for the tools you so desperately need to build one. Nerfing hisec will make your 'empire' any better.

Thank you for demonstrating the flawed logic I analysed. Prime example indeed.

Unintelligent people come in handy +1

O'k to say that Gate Camping is a Myth is not in truth.

Ever take a Stealth Bomber to ORE from High Sec to get their BPO's????

Let me count the # of Bubbles you will poke through while you make ump-teen jumps gate to gate.

Because going to Null Sec Gate to Gate in a shuttle to pick up the BPO's will totally get you past all of that.

You will find yourself in your PoD back in high sec needing a new SP clone again if you do.

I had to stop here.

You know, aside from the fact that pretty much everything else you wrote came across like you don't really understand how many mechanics in the game actually work.

Exactly how much null sec industry have you done?

Yes and here's the problem for you in a nutshell:

You're excpecting too much of the average player. The guy who has played a couple of years, been in an alliance and found out that living in null was pretty much a crappy and time consuming thing to do will not move from his little island not matter what.

The new guy who is all excited about Eve and curious to discover new things goes out there a couple of times with no knowledge of how to survive. what to do and gets blopped at the 3rd gate he comes through tops.

He's lost a ship, has no income to speak of and gets mouthed off in local by a bunch of kids or adults with post-puberty personaltiy disorders before they pod him. Do you really think he's gonna go back?

Of course not, he turns to the "vet" throwing around his stories about how bad the place really is and starts blending in. Before you know it, you have just created another mission/mining zombie that will venture into lowsec after some time for some PvP maybebut that's about it. The bad experience sticks.

Worst case he comes to the forums trying to find some help and gets trolled to bits in the very first thread by the people that killed him. Or has each and every thread derailed by x-alt of x-alliance because of "lulz", "dem tears" or "propagandaz".

Again, do you think he's gonna go back?

Take the next dude who, by chance goes and ventures into renting a small piece of nullspace for him and his friends, then gets reset by his alliance for "omgwtfyounubssuckatpvpandlifefornotloggingonat3inthemorning" and shot in the back.

Do you think these guys will go back?

The OP is right in that one aspect here, it's not only a question of asking CCP to fix nullsec (and there is no doubt there's a lot that needs to be looked into, don't get me wrong) but it's also a matter of attitude.

If there's not more money to be made in nullsec, there's more you can do to make it an appealing place, at least for your alliance members, "citizens" or whatever you want to call it. That includes potential customers to the shop too, that however requires social skills beyond of the ones you can purchase in stations across the cluster.

Still, want to roleplay the sadistic asshat because of "lulz"? Fine, you have every right to do it. Just don't excpect people that want to get some quality out of their often limited gametime to play along.

It's not a matter of adapt, HTFU, grow a pair, it's a matter of choice and consequence. See what I did there?

Lets not Burn the guy who is retired and now enjoys his time in EVE mining. I put in my days / months / years punching some ass clowns clock.

Now I punch my own Clock in EVE.

If I want to move to Null Sec and deal with Null Sec operations I will.

But I do not. Nor is it written anywhere in the EULA that I have to move to Null Sec.

If your not making ISK in Null Sec, it has 0 to do with the players in High Sec.

**** Poor management is your own downfall.

Everyone wants what someone else has. If your not making isk then go to where you can. High Sec is the training grounds for rookies. Unless you want 10 mil can I have some isk requests on an hourly basis stop crying about what you cant make in Null Sec. You have 3 slots per account for toons. Not like you can not have a fleet in Null and a Fleet in High and send isk between them.

This is terrible logic and somewhat of a contradiction.

Look I know there are great Corps / Alliances in Null Sec.
I know that there should be a better reward for the Risk taken in Null Sec.
I am in complete agreement with you on that.
I also know from having read that a System in Null Sec will not produce better yields of XYZ is mined and continually mined on a daily basis.
I know that not every territory in Null Sec is Pirate controlled.

But saying that High Sec is to easy a reward... your not looking at the Fact High Sec was designed for Rookies to Strive in till they are ready to face the challenges of Life in Null Sec.

If rookies could not make easy isk to afford skill books that cost 100's of millions of isk to billions of isk how would you propose they earn the isk to get them? Are you going to shell it out for them?

Null Sec is a whole new ball park of the entire mechanics of the game.

Players have to put the time in to make a system a level 5 industrial system. It's just not going to spawn the next day because you added a better ore yield Mod to your PoS / Stations.

Retirement has it's Privi's.

Just one problem: that is not a fact.

If it really were for rookies, the payout wouldn't be nearly as high since rookies have nothing to spend that kind of money on.