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Titan Bridges… Fair or Not?
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Othran
Route One
#41 - 2012-12-18 12:25:08 UTC
Feffri wrote:
I'm fine with titan drops but if it can't be built in low sec it shouldn't be allowed for use in low sec. Either get rid of super caps from low sec or allow them to be built in low sec.


I agree with you completely but.....

That won't happen because it either takes away one of the reasons for holding sov in the first place (building supercaps) or nerfs "easy mode" for existing supercap owners/alliances if supercaps get blocked from low-sec.

NB - by "easy mode" I mean being able to deploy huge distances rapidly by using low-sec Empire space to stage across. Admittedly that's less of an issue now as sov null slowly turns the same colour. Oh and obviously bridging from a POS but we've done that one to death.

So while it makes sense that "if you can't build it there then you can't fly it there" it won't happen. Not now.
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#42 - 2012-12-18 12:34:44 UTC
Must admit the ammount of Titan Brigdes how gone up quite alot lately not just in low but also in null. That said, i serious dont see this as souch a big problem. It not if you own a titan or not, its more as said before knowing your enemy.

Mark down your targets, know your enemy. If they are known for using brigdes avoid them. And its not just Titans brigdes, Black Ops as well.

We used Black Ops hotdrop fleet alot about a year ago, and we ended up not being able to find any fights for a while as people around us, started to know us as blobbers, meaning people couldnt go out in small fleet and get a fight, as targets exspected us to light a cyno.

Im pretty sure it will just be a period of time, until people misusing the Titans gets bored sitting around to titans to often.

Right now we see the numbers of people PVPing in low sec going up, so im sure for a period youll see people use what source they have, to the exstend where it becomes borring.

I do not think there should be any limit on Titan brigde, normal by them you only get 20-30 people on grid in low sec, where by Black Ops you often see 50-70 bombers / Recons.

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#43 - 2012-12-18 12:47:34 UTC
Dragnarok wrote:
Hello everyone,

I am writing this forum page in hope to get CCP’s attention. To get CCP’s attention, I first need to get my fellow peers attention. The purpose of this forum is to discuss whether Titan Bridging in Low-Sec should have any sort of LIMITATIONS or INDICATIONS of a possible bridging.

The reason behind this is because, my corporation along with our coalition live in low sec Pirate, and we have been bridged 6 times by bigger coalitions and stronger alliances ON DECEMBER ALONE Shocked. Obviously if you got a Titan at your disposal, you certainly have a bigger advantage on smaller corporations. Now, wrecking a gate camp or a roaming fleet of 5 ships with 30 to 40 ships thanks to Titan Bridges, whether they have SKILLS OR NOT is a different forum Topic Blink.

My propositions are:
1. Limitation
My propositions regarding Limitation are a lot, but I will propose only one of my ideas. My idea regarding limitation on a Titan Bridge would be to limit a Titan Bridge to Null-Sec area only. By doing so, those who CAN Titan Bridge will have to deal with corporations and alliances that can do the same.


The premise behind your limitation is flawed. There are already corps that live in low sec that can field titans. There are many corps in null sec which cannot field titans. The reason titans are able to bridge into low sec is because a cyno can be lit in low sec. If this were not so then no one could jump their carriers and jump freighters from null sec back to empire.


2. Indication
My proposition on this matter is that ships that have a Cynosural Field Generator I (or for that matter any type of Cyno modules) should have some physical property on the ship that they are fitted just as turrets do. When you click Look At on a ship, an experienced PvP pilot can recognize and distinguish different type of turrets installed on a ship to asses his/her chances of winning an engagement against his/her foe. Such a thing should be possible for ships that have a Cyno fitted to it. By doing so, you give a chance to the pilot to decide whether he/she should or shouldn’t spring the trap.




Personally i agree with the folks in this thread who think you are just a whiner. Folks get hot dropped in eve in both null sec and low sec doing gate camps. This is the RISK you take in camping a single location for long. Folks will find you and set you up to drop on you. There is nothing wrong with this. And it is avoidable.

When my corp has been between alliances (frequently in the past) we usually go to low sec and pirate until moving to a new one. We frequently get hot dropped. And we usually lose very little to those hot drops. Occassionally someone gets caught. Not all that often. Why?

For one thing we usually camp at a perch not on the gate. We usually have scouts in high sec. We generally know who is likely to drop on us. We usually have most of the regular cyno guys book marked. We usually only have a tackler or two on the gate in a Hic. And once we tackle anything we are all aligned to a safe or a pos we have put down in the system. Often we have a falcon or two cloaked and ready to jam if a cyno goes up. It really isnt all that hard to avoid getting blobbed. It happens from time to time and we may lose a ship or two. If so, props to them for their success.
Dragnarok
Tork n' beans
#44 - 2012-12-18 13:22:44 UTC
Disastro wrote:



Personally i agree with the folks in this thread who think you are just a whiner. Folks get hot dropped in eve in both null sec and low sec doing gate camps. This is the RISK you take in camping a single location for long. Folks will find you and set you up to drop on you. There is nothing wrong with this. And it is avoidable.

When my corp has been between alliances (frequently in the past) we usually go to low sec and pirate until moving to a new one. We frequently get hot dropped. And we usually lose very little to those hot drops. Occassionally someone gets caught. Not all that often. Why?

For one thing we usually camp at a perch not on the gate. We usually have scouts in high sec. We generally know who is likely to drop on us. We usually have most of the regular cyno guys book marked. We usually only have a tackler or two on the gate in a Hic. And once we tackle anything we are all aligned to a safe or a pos we have put down in the system. Often we have a falcon or two cloaked and ready to jam if a cyno goes up. It really isnt all that hard to avoid getting blobbed. It happens from time to time and we may lose a ship or two. If so, props to them for their success.


Well, thank you for sharing your personal opinion of me and SLIGHTLY touching on the main topic. Now should I share my personal opinion of you and what some others think of you?... Lets get to your comments instead, or this is not going to get pretty.

The premises behind my Proposition regarding Titan-Bridges is not flawed as you claimed... we could go back and for and say "Yes" and "No", but I will explain why it isn't. You are making the assumption that I am saying ALL CYNO's should be limited to NULL SEC (which would be a joke). Unless you haven't used a cyno before and have a Capital-Ship/Jump-Freighter jump through to where the CYNO is lid. I can see how you can make the mistake of assuming that connecting a bridge between a Titan and a Cyno would be the same as jumping to the Cyno. Is that clear?

I AM NOT SAYING TO HAVE CYNO ONLY LID UP IN NULL-SEC (sorry for the caps lock, but I feel that this is a very important point to get across) AND OUT OF LOW-SEC, I WAS SAYING TO HAVE THEM CONNECT A BRIDGE BETWEEN THE TITAN AND A CYNO LOCATED IN NULL-SEC ONLY! Is this more clear now?

P.s. Next time Disastro, when you use the original post of someone in your own post and you want to comment on one of their points, please do not do it inside of the original post you quoted. Because I almost missed your personal comment after my First Proposition. Thank you in advance.
Dragnarok
Tork n' beans
#45 - 2012-12-18 13:31:31 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Would you like some cheese with that?

Boo, other people have ISK and friends and can do things I can't. Yes the titan is safe, but the titan isn't fighting you is it. They still risk their bait and fleet, no different than any gang. You are just butthurt and jealous. Next time prepare and either gank their bait or snipe etc. I see no problem with titan bridges. Not that hard to not fall for bait, titan bridging is not OP Its just a luxury, a 100b isk luxury., one they van lose witha single fuckup. Guess what someone had to grind for that titan, you dont want to, thats your choice. You are just jealous and thus cry nerf.

I dont have access to a titan butmy corp could grind the isk and we just might, when we do ill think. Of you and your tears.

Titans arent the problem you are.



That is a huge risk... risking a bait... lol I thought you were serios, but I see you were joking and just trolling around. lol
Anyways, thank your for providing me with a good morning laughter lol.

Alright, but I must respectfully ask you to not post anymore.
Sorry, but I would rather not have this forum post turn into an Amateur Stand Up comedy show where you can debut your skills.

Thank you, and good day.
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#46 - 2012-12-18 13:41:43 UTC
Pretty sure people can read what you are writing WITH OUT USING CAPS.

But regardless i dont see Titans as a huge issue in low sec nore them using brigdes. And yes, i know what your saying without having to use Caps Lock, got bridge 4 times the last week to. Latest in Amamake by a tristan fleet, which i found funny and not a problem, next time a see they have a BS in a belt, baiting, its most likely a titan brigde trap which i will avoid, meaning them getting longer inbetween posible brigde targets worth wasting a brigde on.

Wasting a titan brigde on tristans to catch 1 bellicose T1 cruiser indicate to me people are already getting bored.

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
Wey'oun
#47 - 2012-12-18 13:46:28 UTC
Dragnarok wrote:



That is a huge risk... risking a bait... lol I thought you were serios, but I see you were joking and just trolling around. lol
Anyways, thank your for providing me with a good morning laughter lol.

Alright, but I must respectfully ask you to not post anymore.
Sorry, but I would rather not have this forum post turn into an Amateur Stand Up comedy show where you can debut your skills.

Thank you, and good day.


Whilst i respect your right to free speech with regards to his perfectly valid comment, i dont respect your statement telling him not to post. this is a forum for discussion, HENCE THE NAME (SEE I CAN TYPE IN CAPS TOO)!!!!!!!!!!!. you have no right to tell people not to post just because they disagree with your stupid irrelevant opinions
Dragnarok
Tork n' beans
#48 - 2012-12-18 14:16:48 UTC
Ynot Eyob wrote:
Pretty sure people can read what you are writing WITH OUT USING CAPS.

But regardless i dont see Titans as a huge issue in low sec nore them using brigdes. And yes, i know what your saying without having to use Caps Lock, got bridge 4 times the last week to. Latest in Amamake by a tristan fleet, which i found funny and not a problem, next time a see they have a BS in a belt, baiting, its most likely a titan brigde trap which i will avoid, meaning them getting longer inbetween posible brigde targets worth wasting a brigde on.

Wasting a titan brigde on tristans to catch 1 bellicose T1 cruiser indicate to me people are already getting bored.


I'm glad you can read without the need of me using CAPS LOCK, but I meant to use that as a form of visual aid for those who can't read well and complitely miss or misunderstand my point. I hope you understand.

Thank you for sharing, and I would partially agree with you that people are getting bored and complitely abuse Titan-Bridges. But are they all like that? Are they all bored? Isn't there a chance that most of those alliances using it as a warfare tactic against smaller corps?

Again, sorry if i made you believe that CAPS LOCK were intended for you, but rather to the individual I quoted in my post.

Even if you don't see Titans as a huge issue in low sec. Do you mind commenting on some of the possible ways of resolving this perfect advantage edge big corps have over small ones?

Thanks.
Dragnarok
Tork n' beans
#49 - 2012-12-18 14:33:27 UTC
Wey'oun wrote:
Dragnarok wrote:



That is a huge risk... risking a bait... lol I thought you were serios, but I see you were joking and just trolling around. lol
Anyways, thank your for providing me with a good morning laughter lol.

Alright, but I must respectfully ask you to not post anymore.
Sorry, but I would rather not have this forum post turn into an Amateur Stand Up comedy show where you can debut your skills.

Thank you, and good day.


Whilst i respect your right to free speech with regards to his perfectly valid comment, i dont respect your statement telling him not to post. this is a forum for discussion, HENCE THE NAME (SEE I CAN TYPE IN CAPS TOO)!!!!!!!!!!!. you have no right to tell people not to post just because they disagree with your stupid irrelevant opinions



lol... untill now I've been ignoring your comments for the simple fact that you have not posted anything deacent other than your fail moceries. But it would seem that this last post of yours got my attention, and I must say that even a troll does point out (whether intentionally or not) a good point. My good troll, yes this is a "forum for discussions" as you pointed out.

Tell me where the is the "discussion" part in your following posts? Actually, don't bother. Thank you for your concern. But go ahead and read your very brilliant attempts at making a valid point in this "discussion".

Wey'oun wrote:

show me on the doll where the nasty piwates hotdropped you

seriously all these people bitching about titan hotdrops. its easily avoidable just get scouts in the titan home systems, be intelligent, its not difficult. This new eve attitude is what is killing eve. 'oh noes somthign that beats me, i must forum complain about the mechanics rather than think of a solution via ingame methods'


And...

Wey'oun wrote:

who do you think you are? just because his opinion is different to yours doesnt make them invalid.

also your opinion are hilarious, im drowning in your tears and bitterness!.


A word of advice... sharpen your discussion skills, but first learn about the definition of "discussion".
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#50 - 2012-12-18 14:52:12 UTC
Sorry but i have to disagree with your origional assertation that titan bridges are too big an advantage for one very simple reason.

Once you know an entity is capable of using it the counter is very simple - Find the name of their titan alt, save as contact and be aware that a hot drop could be incoming as long as that character is online. Modifiy tactics and fleets accordingly and bosh - advantage negated.

You can also keep track of known cyno alts, maintain cloaked scouts in their titans base systems to check fleet comps (since fleets have to go to the titan to be able to bridge) then modify your fleet accordingly or try to force engagements in systems outside of the titans bridging range. You just have to be prepared to put in a bit of extra effort.

I have to admit these days we use our titan way more for cutting down on time spent traveling to areas we want to roam in rather than hotdropping anyone.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome
Dragnarok
Tork n' beans
#51 - 2012-12-18 15:30:43 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Sorry but i have to disagree with your origional assertation that titan bridges are too big an advantage for one very simple reason.

Once you know an entity is capable of using it the counter is very simple - Find the name of their titan alt, save as contact and be aware that a hot drop could be incoming as long as that character is online. Modifiy tactics and fleets accordingly and bosh - advantage negated.

You can also keep track of known cyno alts, maintain cloaked scouts in their titans base systems to check fleet comps (since fleets have to go to the titan to be able to bridge) then modify your fleet accordingly or try to force engagements in systems outside of the titans bridging range. You just have to be prepared to put in a bit of extra effort.

I have to admit these days we use our titan way more for cutting down on time spent traveling to areas we want to roam in rather than hotdropping anyone.


Okay. There aren't only a handful of Titans in game... or are they? If not, then you can't really find them all. What do you do when every single member of your enemy alliance drops a cyno every time with any pilot they have on the field?

What do you do when you know the enemy alliance has about half a dozen Titans, and you can't afford to keep a cloaked scout in their system 24/7. As far as we have noticed, they are keeping most of their Titan pilots a secret.

What do you do when a new alliance comes around and hotdrops a fleet on you... then another one... and so on and so on. So far 6 different alliances... (gosh I keep repeating the same thing)...

You made the following statement "Sorry but i have to disagree with your origional assertation that titan bridges are too big an advantage for one very simple reason", but you have only given valid reasons for corps that can master big of enough fleets as the Titan Owners. So don't you think that your explanation to counter a Titan owning corp, is not very useful for a small corp?
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#52 - 2012-12-18 15:46:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
there is actuallly one place already cynojamed in low sec .... plexes ... u can avoid being hotdroped there.

and titan drops and tears are inevitable part of the game .... personaly would ban all supers and superrelated actions from lowsec, but it is not realistic ... too much CCP developers and nullbears have their interests.
Isu Okaski
The Break Room
#53 - 2012-12-18 15:56:40 UTC
Dragnarok wrote:
Hello everyone,

I am writing this forum page in hope to get CCP’s attention. To get CCP’s attention, I first need to get my fellow peers attention. The purpose of this forum is to discuss whether Titan Bridging in Low-Sec should have any sort of LIMITATIONS or INDICATIONS of a possible bridging.

The reason behind this is because, my corporation along with our coalition live in low sec Pirate, and we have been bridged 6 times by bigger coalitions and stronger alliances ON DECEMBER ALONE Shocked. Obviously if you got a Titan at your disposal, you certainly have a bigger advantage on smaller corporations. Now, wrecking a gate camp or a roaming fleet of 5 ships with 30 to 40 ships thanks to Titan Bridges, whether they have SKILLS OR NOT is a different forum Topic Blink.



JESUS!

What is it with people getting beat and saying the reason they got beat is not fair and needs to be nerfed?!

DAMN RIGHT a titan gives a fleet a tactical advantage! AND NO we shouldn't nerf them just because you and your mates don't have one!


Indications of possible bridging:
1) Know your space!
2) Check target lossmails for cyno ships
3) When that thingy that looks like a downward pointing arrow shows up in the overview it might be time to burn out.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-12-18 15:59:18 UTC
Dragnarok wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Sorry but i have to disagree with your origional assertation that titan bridges are too big an advantage for one very simple reason.

Once you know an entity is capable of using it the counter is very simple - Find the name of their titan alt, save as contact and be aware that a hot drop could be incoming as long as that character is online. Modifiy tactics and fleets accordingly and bosh - advantage negated.

You can also keep track of known cyno alts, maintain cloaked scouts in their titans base systems to check fleet comps (since fleets have to go to the titan to be able to bridge) then modify your fleet accordingly or try to force engagements in systems outside of the titans bridging range. You just have to be prepared to put in a bit of extra effort.

I have to admit these days we use our titan way more for cutting down on time spent traveling to areas we want to roam in rather than hotdropping anyone.


Okay. There aren't only a handful of Titans in game... or are they? If not, then you can't really find them all. What do you do when every single member of your enemy alliance drops a cyno every time with any pilot they have on the field?

What do you do when you know the enemy alliance has about half a dozen Titans, and you can't afford to keep a cloaked scout in their system 24/7. As far as we have noticed, they are keeping most of their Titan pilots a secret.

What do you do when a new alliance comes around and hotdrops a fleet on you... then another one... and so on and so on. So far 6 different alliances... (gosh I keep repeating the same thing)...

You made the following statement "Sorry but i have to disagree with your origional assertation that titan bridges are too big an advantage for one very simple reason", but you have only given valid reasons for corps that can master big of enough fleets as the Titan Owners. So don't you think that your explanation to counter a Titan owning corp, is not very useful for a small corp?


Stop taking their bait you idiot. You blueball them a few times and they wont bother anymore. You are responsible for your own actions. You want easy kills on a gate, well there are risks. Pay attention to what you engage. Stop being incompetent. It is your own fault. The last time I got hotdropped I traded a SFI for their Arazu, the time before that I had fun blueballing their BS fleet only to flip their ihub with dessies. You are the one with an issue, you should change, not the rest of eve.
Kikusama
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2012-12-18 16:10:53 UTC
Dragnarok wrote:
1. Limitation
My propositions regarding Limitation are a lot, but I will propose only one of my ideas. My idea regarding limitation on a Titan Bridge would be to limit a Titan Bridge to Null-Sec area only. By doing so, those who CAN Titan Bridge will have to deal with corporations and alliances that can do the same.

You wrongfully assume that all nullsec entities have titans and/or only those are interested in fighting you.
Also this would bring another problem to the front. Bridging subcaps is impossible in lowsec? No problem, you'll be dropped by tracking dreads with triage support or supers. How is that any better? Or do you wrongfully assume that entities that can drop 15-25 supers on your gang are confined to nullsec?

Dragnarok wrote:
2. Indication
My proposition on this matter is that ships that have a Cynosural Field Generator I (or for that matter any type of Cyno modules) should have some physical property on the ship that they are fitted just as turrets do. When you click Look At on a ship, an experienced PvP pilot can recognize and distinguish different type of turrets installed on a ship to asses his/her chances of winning an engagement against his/her foe. Such a thing should be possible for ships that have a Cyno fitted to it. By doing so, you give a chance to the pilot to decide whether he/she should or shouldn’t spring the trap.

You mean you can't sniff a trap and you need pointers that ship X has a cyno. Let me give you some pointers here. Any freaking noobship can have a cyno. You are not safe anywhere if you lack situational awareness.

Will be interesting if this is implemented, all you need to travel safely in lowsec would be to fit a cyno to your transport ship and everyone will avoid you like the plague since you might be the "bait" for 1141039 ships eager to facemelt your 5 BCs.

Dragnarok wrote:
As things stand right now, corporations that own Titans have a huge field advantage over smaller corporations.

That advantage is only dictated by sheer numbers or sheer firepower. If your corp can only field 10-15 people, then you would be roflstomped by a corp that can field 40-50 people, even if the 40-50 drop you by jumping a gate into you or via cyno, makes no difference whatsoever.

Also if your corp can only field 15 people, consider flying nano, that are usually impervious to fleets that are dropped via cyno. If your FC sees the cyno and immediately orders your gang to align out, by the time the cynoed tacklers load grid you'd be far away from their optimal.

Guns make the news. Science doesn't.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#56 - 2012-12-18 16:32:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Dragnarok wrote:


*snip*

Even if you don't see Titans as a huge issue in low sec. Do you mind commenting on some of the possible ways of resolving this perfect advantage edge big corps have over small ones?

Thanks.


Not sure if serious.

EDIT. Nah this guy has 95 kills and no indication that anyone has ever bridged onto him. There is no way this is a serious post. Shame on us all for falling for the emotroll.
Dragnarok
Tork n' beans
#57 - 2012-12-18 16:39:13 UTC
Kikusama wrote:
Dragnarok wrote:

1. Limitation
My propositions regarding Limitation are a lot, but I will propose only one of my ideas. My idea regarding limitation on a Titan Bridge would be to limit a Titan Bridge to Null-Sec area only. By doing so, those who CAN Titan Bridge will have to deal with corporations and alliances that can do the same.


You wrongfully assume that all nullsec entities have titans and/or only those are interested in fighting you.
Also this would bring another problem to the front. Bridging subcaps is impossible in lowsec? No problem, you'll be dropped by tracking dreads with triage support or supers. How is that any better? Or do you wrongfully assume that entities that can drop 15-25 supers on your gang are confined to nullsec?


Ah for the love of God... I would rather have supers dropped on us that take forever to lock in comparison with small ships in big numbers

Kikusama wrote:
Dragnarok wrote:

2. Indication
My proposition on this matter is that ships that have a Cynosural Field Generator I (or for that matter any type of Cyno modules) should have some physical property on the ship that they are fitted just as turrets do. When you click Look At on a ship, an experienced PvP pilot can recognize and distinguish different type of turrets installed on a ship to asses his/her chances of winning an engagement against his/her foe. Such a thing should be possible for ships that have a Cyno fitted to it. By doing so, you give a chance to the pilot to decide whether he/she should or shouldn’t spring the trap.


You mean you can't sniff a trap and you need pointers that ship X has a cyno. Let me give you some pointers here. Any freaking noobship can have a cyno. You are not safe anywhere if you lack situational awareness.


Hmmm... seriously? Do you point out useless stuff just for the sake of filling up your post with words??? Sorry, but do ppl actually use noobships as cynos? Cause we tend to alpha one if we ever saw one. But they use different ships, and they don't make them obvious such as waiting at a belt or auto-piloting. Great points, but stop making the assumption as if I created this post as my first and only viable option regarding the Titan-Bridge problem.

Kikusama wrote:

Will be interesting if this is implemented, all you need to travel safely in lowsec would be to fit a cyno to your transport ship and everyone will avoid you like the plague since you might be the "bait" for 1141039 ships eager to facemelt your 5 BCs.


Yes! EXACTLY MY POINT!!! YOU!!! WILL HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON YOUR OWN. Whether to spring the trap or not. Do you understand? Just as we have the option of whether to engage a ship in space (after we look at what kind of turrets it has on and assess whether my ship will be able to take it on!) You my good sir, got to my point directly but without realizing it!
Dragnarok
Tork n' beans
#58 - 2012-12-18 16:48:54 UTC
Kikusama wrote:
Dragnarok wrote:


As things stand right now, corporations that own Titans have a huge field advantage over smaller corporations.



That advantage is only dictated by sheer numbers or sheer firepower. If your corp can only field 10-15 people, then you would be roflstomped by a corp that can field 40-50 people, even if the 40-50 drop you by jumping a gate into you or via cyno, makes no difference whatsoever.



Are you trolling? There is no way of knowing if someone is trying to drop on you by jumping a gate? Have you ever PvPed? If not, then you are doing it wrong. It is called a SCOUT! On the other side of the gate you are camping! And the terminology for that is "having eyes" on the other side of the gate :)

So now do you still think it is the same thing as a fleet dropping on you through a gate or a cyno?

Thumbs up to you for learning something new! Congrats.
Dragnarok
Tork n' beans
#59 - 2012-12-18 16:58:09 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Dragnarok wrote:


*snip*

Even if you don't see Titans as a huge issue in low sec. Do you mind commenting on some of the possible ways of resolving this perfect advantage edge big corps have over small ones?

Thanks.


Not sure if serious.

EDIT. Nah this guy has 95 kills and no indication that anyone has ever bridged onto him. There is no way this is a serious post. Shame on us all for falling for the emotroll.



Well, aren't you ignorant then?

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18233557

I killed him before I could warp out... and I warped out not thanks to my skills but rather thanks to their 8 interceptor pilots pointing the same ships. So 30 ships "successfully" spread points only to 3 out of 5 of us, and 2 of us (a BattleCruiser and Battleship) got out successfully. Not cause we were skilled, but cause they were bad. And now, no skilled pilots abuse this system cause they wouldn't be able to get any kills any other way. Understand?

But knowing how troll work, and the lights up stairs being out, you will come back and make a smart*** comment. I just hope to God it will be a good one.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2012-12-18 16:58:39 UTC




Also loads of people use noobships for cynos, people more competent than you. That aside, Whine whine whine. You want riskless PvP and being able to just gank anyone at your little noobish gatecamp. Check their guns or run away? Seriously how incompetent and afraid are you guys. Ive gatecamped and I havent had these problems, hell my corp has gatecamped so much CCP changed the map! See no titan bridge problem, just a bad player crying for nerfs to cover for his poor tactics and laziness.