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Titan Bridges… Fair or Not?
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Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#21 - 2012-12-17 17:25:34 UTC
Titan bridges are ghey.

**** risk. Why would you "risk" your shiny ships for something that isn't sov or a nice moon? No, not even jumping through gates, not worth the risk at all, use the titan bridge.

Occasional roaming gangs aren't worth looking for, or even showing them our force so that they can reship and may stand a chance of beating us, nope to risky, use the titan bridge.

Send out one scout in a cloaky rapier/falcon, get past the one gate camp and you have the whole region to plant your forces. Why risk going through a gate camp, we might lose a couple ships, why risk it, use the titan bridge.

On a related note: Why would we need escort fleets for our frieghters when they could just get to the titan bridge?

Why risk it?

NOPE, to risky, use the titan bridge. /meme

Most boring/stupid time of my career in eve was while I was sitting on a titan waiting for the cyno pilot to drop the bass.

don't take them out, just limit them like wormholes or something.
Othran
Route One
#22 - 2012-12-17 17:29:21 UTC
My view on this remains the same....

If you can't build it in low-sec then it shouldn't be there. Makes no sense in any respect other than "oh we screwed up years ago and now it's too complicated to change".

Never going to be changed anyway so threads like this are pissing in the wind.
Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#23 - 2012-12-17 17:43:39 UTC
Othran wrote:
My view on this remains the same....

If you can't build it in low-sec then it shouldn't be there. Makes no sense in any respect other than "oh we screwed up years ago and now it's too complicated to change".

Never going to be changed anyway so threads like this are pissing in the wind.


Pissing into the wind would indicate some sort of message coming back at you, no direct dig at CCP on this matter, in this case it cuts through the wind and right into the small gang pvp'ers morning coffee.
Wo nko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-12-17 18:02:52 UTC
pre titan bridging i would roam often to popular areas in null and get my mates together and roam lowsec, but it seems that more and more groups in LOWSEC have 1 titan (maybe more) and that number will only grow. The number of ppl in null who have titan is obviously greater and its ******** to get bridged on after roaming for 2hours and finding nothing.

The power of bridging is too high, i don't know how to fix this, but thats my two cents.
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#25 - 2012-12-17 18:10:07 UTC
If Titan Bridges get nerfed out of lowsec, I'm calling it: "BLOPS bridges are OP and give a clear advantage to bigger corps! Please keep out of lowsec!"

That is all.

Arma Purgatorium - What is Podded May Never Die
Wo nko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-12-17 18:37:59 UTC
Morgan Torry wrote:
If Titan Bridges get nerfed out of lowsec, I'm calling it: "BLOPS bridges are OP and give a clear advantage to bigger corps! Please keep out of lowsec!"

That is all.


blackops range = 4au
titan bridge is like 9.8au

and you actually risk massive isk with blackops so... your arguement is kinda invalid
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#27 - 2012-12-17 18:45:41 UTC
Wo nko wrote:
Morgan Torry wrote:
If Titan Bridges get nerfed out of lowsec, I'm calling it: "BLOPS bridges are OP and give a clear advantage to bigger corps! Please keep out of lowsec!"

That is all.


blackops range = 4au
titan bridge is like 9.8au

and you actually risk massive isk with blackops so... your arguement is kinda invalid


Not really. I recall a few arguments where even in nullsec there was a complaint about them being able to move a BLOPS fleet into NPC null space. If that complaint can be made and it had more than the OP in favor, then I can easily see an argument and the hordes coming for a lowsec restriction on it.

Arma Purgatorium - What is Podded May Never Die
Wo nko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-12-17 20:24:46 UTC
Morgan Torry wrote:
Wo nko wrote:
Morgan Torry wrote:
If Titan Bridges get nerfed out of lowsec, I'm calling it: "BLOPS bridges are OP and give a clear advantage to bigger corps! Please keep out of lowsec!"

That is all.


blackops range = 4au
titan bridge is like 9.8au

and you actually risk massive isk with blackops so... your arguement is kinda invalid


Not really. I recall a few arguments where even in nullsec there was a complaint about them being able to move a BLOPS fleet into NPC null space. If that complaint can be made and it had more than the OP in favor, then I can easily see an argument and the hordes coming for a lowsec restriction on it.


yeah that doesn't work here, nice try tho
Immortis Vexx
Onyx Moon Industries
#29 - 2012-12-17 21:37:10 UTC
Morgan Torry wrote:
Wo nko wrote:
Morgan Torry wrote:
If Titan Bridges get nerfed out of lowsec, I'm calling it: "BLOPS bridges are OP and give a clear advantage to bigger corps! Please keep out of lowsec!"

That is all.


blackops range = 4au
titan bridge is like 9.8au

and you actually risk massive isk with blackops so... your arguement is kinda invalid


Not really. I recall a few arguments where even in nullsec there was a complaint about them being able to move a BLOPS fleet into NPC null space. If that complaint can be made and it had more than the OP in favor, then I can easily see an argument and the hordes coming for a lowsec restriction on it.



Just because someone makes an argument about something doesn't make it correct or have any sort of basis in reality. Virtually any argument whether smart or dumb will gather support.

I am all for small gang roams and small gang warfare but that doesn't mean that big fleet battles shouldn't happen. This also means that hot dropping should be encouraged. I try to stay away from the, "if you don't like it, get your own" rebuttal but I feel that it is kind of apt in this situation. Sometimes the fish eats well and then other times the shark does. Perhaps your "any ship through this gate dies" strategy isn't going to work so well anymore.

On another note I also think that titan proliferation should be curbed to some degree.

Vexx
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-12-17 21:58:39 UTC
I am not a fan of having a ship that is not at risk determining outcomes of battles. That's why I am opposed to OGB. Titans are in the same boat, they completely determine the outcome of a battle without ever having to leave the safety of their pos. Titans should have to jump through their own bridge first before other ships can follow. Maybe if the Titan has to jump as well people won't bridge on 3-4 man cruiser gangs.
Dragnarok
Tork n' beans
#31 - 2012-12-18 01:11:57 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
I am not a fan of having a ship that is not at risk determining outcomes of battles. That's why I am opposed to OGB. Titans are in the same boat, they completely determine the outcome of a battle without ever having to leave the safety of their pos. Titans should have to jump through their own bridge first before other ships can follow. Maybe if the Titan has to jump as well people won't bridge on 3-4 man cruiser gangs.


I see. I like that idea.
So you are saying that a Titan must physically create a bridge by jumping to the cyno and create something like a wormhole behind where it jumped from. Then the fleet that was waiting there where the Titan was, can right click on the wormhole the titan created/left behind and jump through it. Was this what you had in mind?

Another idea that one of my corp members came up with. A HIC should be able to prevent a cyno from lighting up with a script loaded in the Warp Disruption Field Generator modules and prevent a Capital Ships from locking on to a cyno ship.
Feffri
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#32 - 2012-12-18 03:35:52 UTC
I'm fine with titan drops but if it can't be built in low sec it shouldn't be allowed for use in low sec. Either get rid of super caps from low sec or allow them to be built in low sec.
Eternal Error
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-12-18 06:32:08 UTC
No they're not fair, and eve is not fair. Also, your idea is bad.

That being said, the risk/reward on titan bridges is hilariously broken. The ability to bridge from inside POS shields is also hilariously broken.
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#34 - 2012-12-18 06:48:35 UTC
Dragnarok wrote:
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
I am not a fan of having a ship that is not at risk determining outcomes of battles. That's why I am opposed to OGB. Titans are in the same boat, they completely determine the outcome of a battle without ever having to leave the safety of their pos. Titans should have to jump through their own bridge first before other ships can follow. Maybe if the Titan has to jump as well people won't bridge on 3-4 man cruiser gangs.


I see. I like that idea.
So you are saying that a Titan must physically create a bridge by jumping to the cyno and create something like a wormhole behind where it jumped from. Then the fleet that was waiting there where the Titan was, can right click on the wormhole the titan created/left behind and jump through it. Was this what you had in mind?

Another idea that one of my corp members came up with. A HIC should be able to prevent a cyno from lighting up with a script loaded in the Warp Disruption Field Generator modules and prevent a Capital Ships from locking on to a cyno ship.

There was another thread like this somewhere else, and in it someone suggested that the bridges become like wormholes, so you have the potential to jump back through and find the enemy titan. Of course, this would need to be outside of a POS shield, and there are some hurdles to overcome, but I think it's a step in the right direction.

Plus, a giant wormhole opening up from a ship would be badass.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-12-18 07:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Dragnarok wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
1. Buy Titan
2. ????
3. Profit!




Just to clarify, being a member of a corp that doesn't have a single super. Stop whining.



Can't afford a Titan. Don't have access to build one, and we are not big enough to build one. I though I explained all of this in my first post.

Thank you for your pointers... Do you have anything else to say regarding my propositions other than assuming I'm "whining"? If not, then you are wasting valuable space and adding to more useless post material that people can actually spent their time in reading something more interesting.



Rant rant etc complain complain




Your problem is that you are part of a 50man corp that doesn't 'go roam' thats obvious enough from your kb. This month 196 kill of which 175 in Naguton, the months before that, sagha and naguton, guess what those bridges are the price you pay for being predictable. That said the only thing stoppin you from owning a titan is your whining. Go make isk buy a char and titan. Of course not much of a point if you loiter in 1 single system.

*snipped a personal attack* - CCP Eterne

For some reason the amarr nog longer titanbridge on us. I miss that.
Trendafil
Balkan Kings
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2012-12-18 09:27:05 UTC
How about this:
Bring back low sec DD, this will change the bridging and hot droping game a lot :)
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-12-18 09:57:18 UTC
The thing about titan bridges is that people will keep saying it's 'working as intended' until it becomes so popular that it's an epidemic.

Anyway, it's a bit of a silly mechanic but people are adapting (or have adapted) to it by using long range tackle and long range dps when something looks suspicious. So it encourages players to commit to a fight even less than they did before. Whether or not that's a bad thing is a completely different argument.
Dragnarok
Tork n' beans
#38 - 2012-12-18 11:34:12 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Quote:


*snipped*



So the requirement to buy a Titan is if I stop whining? And you speak of making isk as if it is a walk in the park... if you got 100 bill to give me, I promise I will stop whining and get me a Titan... Otherwise, you do know what you need to do, right? Move along and don't let the door hit you on your way out.

*snipped*

This is a discussion on how to make the usage of Titan-Bridges less OP, cause as things stand right now, the Titan-Bridge users use their Titans without EVER RISKING THEM! What is so hard to understand about that? *snip*

This is a Post for Pros. Vs. Cons regarding Titan Bridges, with me stating this forum post by giving a bit of background information about myself and my corp and making the statement that Titan-Bridges are 100% beneficial and there is no risk factor in using them. It is not about my "whining" or about me looking for blues... If so, I would have made such a Forum Post under a Forum Category other than "Warfare & Tactics".

So, your opinion is invalid. Not everyone has access to Titans. So should we spend our hard earned cash to by PLEXes and buy a Titan Pilot, a Titan ship, and a Deathstart to park the Titan? But your solution would be to make isk and not buy it through PLEXes and do those things you suggest. But you still fail at everything you posted and missed MY POINT... Titan Bridges = 0% RISK = REWARD >>> COST = TOO OP. Do you understand???

Good Day!

Snipped some back and forth personal attacks. Please be polite, even if others are not. - CCP Eterne
Wey'oun
#39 - 2012-12-18 12:15:02 UTC
Dragnarok wrote:



So, your opinion is invalid.

Good Day!


who do you think you are? just because his opinion is different to yours doesnt make them invalid.

also your opinion are hilarious, im drowning in your tears and bitterness!.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-12-18 12:20:56 UTC
Would you like some cheese with that?

Boo, other people have ISK and friends and can do things I can't. Yes the titan is safe, but the titan isn't fighting you is it. They still risk their bait and fleet, no different than any gang. You are just butthurt and jealous. Next time prepare and either gank their bait or snipe etc. I see no problem with titan bridges. Not that hard to not fall for bait, titan bridging is not OP Its just a luxury, a 100b isk luxury., one they van lose witha single fuckup. Guess what someone had to grind for that titan, you dont want to, thats your choice. You are just jealous and thus cry nerf.

I dont have access to a titan butmy corp could grind the isk and we just might, when we do ill think. Of you and your tears.

Titans arent the problem you are.