EVE General Discussion

I've hear of modular stations. I get the feeling that's been something people have been calling for for a long time. Yeah all these things your saying seem like too many limitations. Under these conditions null sec will perpetually be The Wild West with no chance of developing something more dynamic, interesting, and sustainable.....but maybe CCP sees a threshold that's not as discernible to us, beyond which the game starts to really veer out of their control. As long as the roles of high/low/null sec remain the same it's fully their game, but if a lot of people moved out of high sec you could eventually see some powerful alliances determining a lot more than devs would like. Personally I think that's well worth the risk.

Yeah in order for anything interesting to happen out there you have to have some people in charge that command enough authority who are actually interested in building something lasting and truly dynamic and diverse (which I maintain will make an Alliance stronger long term), but currently it's just pew pew pew pew pew as if that is the one and only endgame of EVE. It's a dead end in fact. To declare that the various forms of advanced pvp are the ultimate evolution of the game is an insult to the intelligence and imagination of this extremely smart and capable community. It's a sandbox. We can build more and elaborate further than where we are now. Null is the place where that is possible but it's dominated by people who seem to have no imagination or interest in anything other than refining their niche and climbing to the top of their heap.

Again, that niche is great. Those people are fine, but we need real leaders with real vision, real maturity and communication skills, and the will to do something fresh and see it through. Once people see that something--anything--innovative is happening they will take notice. Considering what is possible, the game seems to me quite stagnant. A lot more is still possible.

It's not about "isolating". And it's doubtful that 0.0 would ever be completely isolated from hi-sec.

What it's about is making 0.0 for activities other than smooshing red pluses and structure banging. It's about being able to build player designed, player run, player owned empires to match the NPC ones. It's about allowing people in 0.0 to enjoy the career options that hi-sec take for granted. It's about allowing people who want to interact with people, not with NPCs the opportunity to be builders as well as destroyers.

I hope that's OK with you?

Not really. Hisec players don't have to do, well, anything for the ability to take advantage of anything in hisec, short of grinding standings for missions. That's hardly comparable to anything that has to be done in nullsec to achieve, well, anything.

CCP has ensured that the hisec players, who cannot stand a challenging game, receive what effectively amounts to welfare. They were given the incursion isk faucet, the removal of agent quality and the removal of drone compound drops. They were also given a new Crimewatch system that basically gives players a GCC for looting cans and wrecks.

Yet you can only look at the nerfs while blatantly disregarding everything CCP has done to coddle hisec and ensure that your game is not challenging and that you do not need to interact with other players at any real scale in order to succeed. They understand the type of player you represent: those who simply want to start playing a game, get as much currency in the most passive way possible, and sell them all for real money when the next big thing comes out. Having to deal with non-consensual PvP, any need for player interaction or any real form of a challenge would break that deal.

Nullsec is a ghetto because the emergent content that we the players create only extends to war and subterfuge. the actual mechanics of the game that we are forced to slog through to create that content are the worst parts of my day.

I hate shooting red crosses, and 0.01 isking people in Jita, and running sleeper sites. I hate running reactions and mining and producing. But you can be sure that I prefer to do the mindless activities I hate in the nearly completely secure highsec systems I visit. And that is the source of the outrage that Nullsec residents have.

NULLSEC produces the gaming website headlines.
See, I bolded and underlined it because this is the factioid that you don't understand or want to see.


No website runs stories of the guy who AFK mines for 10 hours a day because it relaxes him. I would spit in the face of someone who told me to join a game because there was super cool missions to run over and over and over and over with the only purpose of buying a more expensive and kitted out ship to run missions faster over and over and over. And I sure as hell wouldn't play a game that was explained as "a bunch of spreadsheets", sounds like work not a game!

So yeah, we have a vocal minority which is responsible for the majority of the press this game gets. I will not apologize to anyone for being a part of that minority, or feeling entitled. When a group that has created critical press and exposure for your game tells you for years things are broken, it is time to wise up and listen or expect an uprising.

This is that uprising.

And INIT, we get some damn win too, damn it.

Even if you buffed the null outposts it wouldn't be enough. The bears would get ripped to shreds by black operations, they'd whine en mass to the PvP side of the corp who'd get sick of the drama in no time.

What do you mean?

The way I see it, only RMT dudes can be interested how much "isk" is worth. I find it funny and have a good rl laugh at those pathetic arguments about how much inflation/deflation there is in Eve and how important it seems to be for them.

Funny to see line members from the mega coalition crying on the forums for better income in null while the leaders are bathing in oceans of ISK. If they are not proving for their members what is happening to all that ISK? Hmmm...

it's not about income, Marlona, as you well know.

It's about providing activity for the average alliance member and a reason to hold space. So that there will be, you know, actually people out there in space doing stuff for your precious small gangs to interfere with.

Right now, can you offer a good reason to hold space other than flag-waving? Moongoo income doesn't depend on Sov in the slightest. You can protect towers while basing from NPC space. So what's worth doing in 0.0 other than sitting on a Titan being watched by covops from The Other Guys™ whilst your covops watches them, each waiting for the other to make a mistake.

If you weren't trapped by your own rhetoric into closing your eyes and putting your fingers in your ears, you could have read Weasilor's fantastic articles on 0.0 development. What a pity you choose to make a fool of yourself instead.