EVE General Discussion

There will always be a lot of players who'll never move out of hi-sec no matter what you do, so nerfing hi-sec isn't the answer. What needs to be done - from both CCP's side and the players' side - is making null-sec a more attractive place to go for people who aren't part of the alliance who owns it.

I suggest "freelance agents" - agents who you can attract to your station once you've secured it who will hand out missions just like a normal agent, but might perhaps hand out transferable LP just like incursions do. I mean, obviously, it'd be cooler if they could hand out player alliance LP, but that would put the onus on the players to make their own loyalty shop, which might be difficult to manage. Perhaps doing agent missions could actually improve the quality of the system, and in return, the player alliance LP could mitigate the cost of station services? I don't know. I'm just pulling things off the top of my head here.

Either way, attracting brave players to their systems and keeping those players safe would become a focus for null-sec alliances, because those players would, in turn, be generating a constant stream of money for them. And how cool would it be to be able to throw up something like a distress flare when you get ganked, and have a patrol from the space-holder come out to rescue you? Desperately struggling to keep your ship alive against the aggressor while you pray that the cavalry arrives in time?

Man, I don't know about you, but that sounds awesome to me.

This is nonsense. Anomalies do not spawn endlessly, a fully upgraded system with the relevant index at 5 will have 4-5 anomalies that are remotely lucrative. This is, of course, after logistics people upgrade the ihub by using a freighter to haul the upgrades from highsec.

In comparison, there is no limit to how many missions an agent can give out. One agent can support an unlimited number of mission runners while a fully upgraded system can support maybe half a dozen anom runners.

And you think this is fine?

You live in nullsec, what could you possibly know that an NPC corp alt can't?

Nerf local.

hahaha please tell me more about moons because I absolutely love reading how hisec pubbies understand moons

If it did, the tech wouldn't be worth very much either, so we can just pretend it's like any of the moons that are everywhere.

You can hardly sell the stuff for more than what it cost you to keep the POS up in the first place...


Gotta get me my, uh what platinum moon, or something? Cobalt?

you can easily get 20 mil an hour JUST from veldspar in high sec.

Go ahead, nerf missions... unless you remove EVERYTHING from high sec entirely I can still very easily PLEX accounts

When did goons become the entrenched, having it easy and wanting nothing to change, establishment?

I just want to know.

player built stations need more slots in everything
office space
manufacturing
research
refining needs to be better
this would draw more to 0.0
then the community needs to work at building an economy together and this takes a lot of time
and is not posable with sov changing hands daily :)
now if there was a lock on sov by means of economy power that greatly reduced the threat of loss sov perhaps more players would invest in such a place a Jita in 0.0 :) a region wide lock

Hear me out. I posit that the central problem that stifles the development of nullsec is that it is culturally imcompatible with high sec, and therefore only attracts a small fraction of the player base. The whole vast region of nullsec is dominated by fleet engagements and merit is given mainly to pvp skills/stats. It literally is one big battlefield in which the only opportunity is to fleet and follow an FC's lead on an alliance op of some sort. There is no space for the growth of a community in which diverse interests can be pursued. There is an atmosphere of peer pressure, elitism, and disdain for "carebears" that stifles the development of any competing vision. All these things are fine of course. That's one part of the game, one area of player interest. There are also other areas however. Every different "career path" that someone can engage in in EVE is a vital part of the economy and community life. High sec provides the opportunity for the pursuit of most of those careers and offers the player the chance to control their own destiny, write their own story. This is an important fundamental for most players.



It's ironic that, though 0.0 seems naturally to be the place where players who want to "be part of something" and play with more of the sandbox should gravitate towards, a large number of players who look for that out there return disappointed. There simply is no place in nullsec (that is secure enough) where a player can go and simply be themselves and play the way they want to play. An alliance that focuses on providing the security and freedom within its borders for carebear types to go about their business will attract massive numbers of high sec players who want to earn more, do something different, and be part of something that they can get behind. Such an alliance would immediately become a target of a bloodthirsty alliance seeking to prove that might is right. If it could weather that storm such an alliance, establishing itself as its own high sec out in 0.0 would attract an entire segment of the player base from Empire, most of whom would be able to fill a vital role.



The first alliance to really focus on attracting carebears and providing them an environment to thrive in will gradually see its population, internal economy, and military ranks swell beyond anything the other alliances can manage. Missioners and incursioners will stream in to farm npcs and engage in "good guy" pvp. Miners and industrialists will stream in to have access to better ores, more production slots.Tons of "bittervets" who see something interesting and new happening in the sandbox will throw in their lot. Such an influx of players will quickly create the need for more living space, which will give pvpers wars to fight. Pirates would be attracted too to an accumulation of care bear types in null sec. Playing cat and mouse with alliance security would provide a lot of challenge and fun for both sides.



Whichever alliance jumps on this train first will take a quantum leap of evolution that will cause it to transcend, through sheer numbers, the machinations of even the most extreme power players to burn it down. By then they'll see that the prudent move is to follow suit. This could lead to chain reaction exodus of players from high sec into null, while still leaving plenty in high. I'm talking about the formation of actual communities in null with all elements of the player base represented. This would be good for everyone, especially for players who have already commited themselves to living in 0.0.



If any devs are reading this I'd like to offer a suggestion as to how this process could be stimulated. Create a means for players to learn more about what is going on in 0.0 and a means for nullsec alliances to attract carebears. Perhaps the captain's quarters could be an interface for this. Alliances that want to reach out to high sec residents need a means of mass communication.

This is a bit too rosy of a prediction.
All those civilians would provide some great taxed income but very little if any PvP power / prowess / capability.
PvPers would still be crucial for that entity to survive and the directors should be open minded enough to even try it.
Expecially the latter seems to be quite difficult to see in EvE and would require some prior changes to null sec to begin with: ability to *support* the influx of civilans with factories etc, adding (imo) some NPC guards inside the empire to let PvPers focus on the perimeter and so on.