EVE General Discussion

I agree with this post.

If there aren't hills to climb there aren't things to fight over (also why I was against the tech nerf).

The balancing (buffing/nerfing) needs to come with game mechanics which aren't band-aid's and instead forward thinking game design that isn't short sighted. I want null sec fixed badly where the pilot has a reason to be there. However, if there aren't things in nullsec which are exclusive to the space, finding alliances who want to control it will become an issue.

Sure, buff null sec, but do it in a way that isn't what gets people out here for tomorrow, instead what keeps them there for the next 10 years.

This is accomplished by fixing the manufacturing process which Tech 2 is based on, not by alchemy. By adjusting the manufacturing process, you create multiple hills to climb. You further keep in line with the sandbox motif by allowing minerals consumed to define what the valuable resources are and where we wage war.

The way it SHOULD be:
R64+2xR32 = elevated reaction for T2 by race.

Each race uses only regionally specific materials in that, each race has it's own process and the pirates who control that space be it, Angel, Serpentis, Sansha or Gurista space holds the specific moon minerals to manage the racial T2 ships and weapon system reactions.

Oh, it will devalue it.

Go check the price history on Rattlesnakes. Especially after the Drone Damage Amp was introduced, but before the Retribution rat AI changes targeting drones were announced. It is the cheapest pirate BS in the game, and it isn't because it is a bad ship. One of the best subcap shield tanks and the afk abilities and damage type selection of the drones should have made it the most in demand mission/ratting ships in the game.

And it was in demand. In Jita, it sold as often as the Vinidicator and better than the Nightmare or Bhaalgorn. Only the Machariel beats it out in sales volume.

But the Rattlesnake sells for about half the price of those other pirate battleships. And the reason is because the people living out in Guristas space produce tons of Rattlesnake BPCs and drive down the price by producing more than the demand. Even before demand was tamped down with a drone hating rat AI.


LP store stuff isn't immune to this either. One just has to look back on the market data during the last big buff to Faction Warfare. Implants, datacores, faction ammo/mods/ships for the winning factions all came down in price.

So an LP or loot drop buff that looks like a 50% increase at first, can become much lower later if the supply outstrips demand.

One idea I've heard of that might work like this without flooding the market is to have sov nullsec holders be able to "invite" mission agents to live in their stations from any faction with decent standings. That way, they could buy enough variety of LP store items and avoid flooding the market with just the worthwhile items of a single faction.

It's great when you see that cyno.

And then one of the drakes in your fleet also drops a cyno.

And then suddenly blobs from both sides just start bridging in at 0. Chaos.

I need to see stuff like that...

sure, all of the targets will move to highsec to make 85% the income they'd make in nullsec with zero risk because if you think that people are willing to be fish in a barrel, I can't help you

i like null because there is no ninja looters, i don't have to go get a mission, or traverse multiple systems to go back an get my noctis, i like that my m8s are all there in the same space, and really, its not all that unsafe. I have lost no ships of importance since joining the HBC, i think i lost some candy ass talwar, thats about it, even on roams, which are quick and easy to get into and get movin. I just prefer null to anything else, i can do the things i wanna do faster, if that makes any sense..

Considering that any walled community can be considered a ghetto, then yes, that's exactly what it is. NBSI. In reality we have gated communities. In EvE we have gatecamped communities.

I've often wondered if it were possible for a benign group to establish themselves some sov in nullsec, police it from pirates, encourage free trade... but then I realized that any such group would quickly be squashed by all the hyper-aggressive power trippers that live next door.

And there's the problem: The very nature of nullsec rewards the biggest jerks. The only way to become King of the Jerks is the be the biggest jerk in the kingdom. Even if he wanted to change things he couldn't, because the moment he stopped being the Biggest Jerk then he'd get shot in the back and replaced by someone who was. It can''t be changed... but it's not like they'd even want to.

There is a certain irony, of course. Nullsec was a originally meant to be a place where people would have more personal freedom to do what they want that Empire space offered. In reality, it's the exact opposite. Nullsec has become so feudalized over the years, with camping & botting down to an exact science, that now it's hisec that offers the most freedom to players.

In the end, the entire "nerf hisec" movement is driven entirely by this envy. It's not about safety, it's not about money. It's about freedom. The freedom to place your POS anywhere you've got the standings. The freedom to fly where you want, mine where you want, ship where you want, build where you want, and all without having to kiss anyone's butts for permission. The freedom to work for your own goals and not those of your overlord.

The other thing that nullbears like to forget is this: Not everyone in EvE is a triple-account no-lifer who lives for e-peen enlargement by bullying others. Y'know some of us have jobs and families and stuff and we really have no desire to get dragged into all the tedious political drama of nullsec. We like to be able to play the game casually and without having to look over our shoulders every two seconds. We play the game for our enjoyment, not theirs - and I believe that is what really makes them sick to their stomachs. See "freedom" above. Every moment of their EvE life is so totally controlled and anxiety driven that seeing people over in hisec actually having fun - and worse, having fun in a way that isn't exactly like themselves - just offends them on some deep, personal level. A level that involves numerous personal issues that I'm not going to go into. I'll just say that maybe they should, I dunno, leave the house more often or something.

Is there poop in your corner of the sandbox? Does it stink? Too bad, but that's no excuse to go spreading it around. Do you see us hisec people whine that nullsec needs to be nerfed? No, because frankly we don't give a crap. See, we've got a very simple solution for all of nullsec's problems: We don't go there. We just let them do their only thing, unmolested and (here is the the part that really angers them) totally ignored. We really don't give a crap about all of their self-inflicted problems. Because in the end these problems aren't so much problems with the game but problems with themselves (see above).

And nullbears, you can't win this one. Sure, you control all the CSM seats. You can use that power to nerf hisec until there is no one left playing there at all. And you'll know what will happen then? The carebears won't come join you and your obsessive lifestyle. We'll just quit. Find other games, or, I dunno, spend more time gardening or something.

You'll be alone.

How will buffing Nullsec stop everyone from blueing each other and making massive carebear formations in a handful of systems

What the hell does that even mean?

maybe if nullsec space was actually worth holding in comparison to getting everything for free in hisec, you'd actually have more than just token resistance to invasions and groups forming up to contest sov space, not just moons??? and maybe if the sov system wasn't a giant joke people would actually, you know, consider the idea of taking somebody's space from underneath them, assuming that the space was worth holding in comparison to literally being given everything you can possibly want in the safety of highsec with zero effort