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It's time CCP......Put Arenas in the game.

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Slash Harnet
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2012-12-18 00:29:54 UTC
I don't know, eve hunger games could be pretty fun watch. Lock 12 teams of two in a single system. No cloaking. Last team standing wins. I'd PAY to watch it even.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#122 - 2012-12-18 00:31:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sura Sadiva
Lord Wiggin wrote:

The only thing Arenas would be provide for is honor duels, where the players set the rules, and no outside interference is possible.


The point is just... we don't want to live in a universe where there conflics evolve in "honor duels". Enforcing it by mechanics you ruin our game experience, you destroy the harsh and cold beauty of New Eden, you turn it in (oh my God another one!) Camelot.

Beside there're already player driven event like that. And yes, moslty pirates group run and host them. And yes, requires effort to host them, organization, territorial control and so on. They do, they deal with the related problems. Why their work and effort (perfectly coerent with Eve spirit) have to be ******??


Lord Wiggin wrote:

This is about High-sec, and the long term evolution of the game.
Lowsec and 0.0 people constantly complain about wanting more people to come to 0.0, why not introduce a vanilla version of small pvp to Highsec, get them to watch it, and maybe get involved themselves.....wouldn't this be a win for all secs?


And please, stop to always talk about high sec people like they were some kind of subnormal always in need of some specific game mechanics to do anything:

"ah no but we have to change this to allow high sec people to do that" "we need to introduce this new mechanics cause they're idiots and couldn't do it" "here a special rule is needed for them retards"

... and so on.... Is not so, they're players abel to deal with EvE game settings like anyone else.


It's one single shard and one single universe, the same for all of us.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#123 - 2012-12-18 00:54:47 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
And please, stop to always talk about high sec people like they were some kind of subnormal always in need of some specific game mechanics to do anything:

"ah no but we have to change this to allow high sec people to do that" "we need to introduce this new mechanics cause they're idiots and couldn't do it" "here a special rule is needed for them retards"

... and so on.... Is not so, they're players abel to deal with EvE game settings like anyone else.

No, not really.... we need some CCP help to remove those damn gankers. And bumpers.

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ISVRaDa
Iberians
#124 - 2012-12-18 01:11:05 UTC
Just one pilot stats doing small gang pvp (not lemmings fleet battles);

December, 312 kills
November, 404 kills
October, 314 kills
September, 238 kills
August, 266 kills
July, 300 kills



PvP is dead... cool story.

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AKilla Sunday
EVE Corporation 98582134
#125 - 2012-12-18 04:46:38 UTC
It's funny how almost everyone against it hints at the fact they will not be able to pray on the weak and lame. Fact is you will still catch the same amount of PVE ships at gates or trough probing, same amount of industrial ships, nothing is going away if this is introduced, all the PVP that is sought after just by one side will still be there. The ones that roam low/null now will roam after such a feature is introduced just like someone above pointed out happened after RvB and such.

Only thing missing is how it should be delivered. I am certain CCP will not release (if it ever comes to this) something that is as efficient as bounties where pre - Retribution.

- Risk free? hell no - 2 teams of 1 or more pilots each enters means there will be survivors only on one side if any(this is the hardest thing to implement I guess).
- No ranking system - this went out of fashion same time with powdered wigs
- Make the amount of isk required to start such a fixed match substantial enough as to encourage players to look at it mostly as an expensive training ground and make costs grow exponentially in relation to the number of ships involved in the brawl
-Make a betting system so involved parties or outside ones may bet on the outcome(also tax it)
-The loosing part should pay maybe a fee to the KSCO - Keep Space Clean Organization
-Create a wining terms set of rules with many options available(I haven't thought of any beside blow the other guy out of the sky)
-Make people register with Concord for a fee for a "gladiator" (I know I know) license
-Make so that this feature is only available in high and if any module(if any) should be necessary it only comes in a high sec version
- If a pilots corp is in a war either prevent them from participating in such matches or allow the pilots from the opposite side of the war to enter the fighting area and attack their WT's
-Profit...?
TharOkha
0asis Group
#126 - 2012-12-18 05:17:28 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Usagi Toshiro wrote:

To play devils advocate; maybe a system like this would encourage some carebears to try their hand in low/null sec after a few victories?


Of course it would. But there are a bunch of players that constantly whine about how low/null is empty, but when some proposal is spoken, they are againist it.


Also i cannot understand why should it kill PvP. Before the patch, there were 1vs1 PvPs (contensual can fliping) and gues what... it didnt kill PvP
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#127 - 2012-12-18 05:31:58 UTC
Usagi Toshiro wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
it's called lowsec and 0.0. try it sometime.


I think he wants PvP where he isn't being jumped by the gank-alot bear every time.



To play devils advocate; maybe a system like this would encourage some carebears to try their hand in low/null sec after a few victories?

Or maybe change FW so it is more even and presents less risk.

Not a fan of arenas in PvP games. My vote would be no and I am hardly a leet, blob ganker.
Eternal Error
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2012-12-18 06:40:03 UTC
no.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#129 - 2012-12-18 07:17:53 UTC
AKilla Sunday wrote:
It's funny how almost everyone against it hints at the fact they will not be able to pray on the weak and lame. Fact is you will still catch the same amount of PVE ships at gates or trough probing, same amount of industrial ships, nothing is going away if this is introduced, all the PVP that is sought after just by one side will still be there. The ones that roam low/null now will roam after such a feature is introduced just like someone above pointed out happened after RvB and such.

Only thing missing is how it should be delivered. I am certain CCP will not release (if it ever comes to this) something that is as efficient as bounties where pre - Retribution.

- Risk free? hell no - 2 teams of 1 or more pilots each enters means there will be survivors only on one side if any(this is the hardest thing to implement I guess).
- No ranking system - this went out of fashion same time with powdered wigs
- Make the amount of isk required to start such a fixed match substantial enough as to encourage players to look at it mostly as an expensive training ground and make costs grow exponentially in relation to the number of ships involved in the brawl
-Make a betting system so involved parties or outside ones may bet on the outcome(also tax it)
-The loosing part should pay maybe a fee to the KSCO - Keep Space Clean Organization
-Create a wining terms set of rules with many options available(I haven't thought of any beside blow the other guy out of the sky)
-Make people register with Concord for a fee for a "gladiator" (I know I know) license
-Make so that this feature is only available in high and if any module(if any) should be necessary it only comes in a high sec version
- If a pilots corp is in a war either prevent them from participating in such matches or allow the pilots from the opposite side of the war to enter the fighting area and attack their WT's
-Profit...?


It's funny how the two people in favour of it refuse to acknowledge that there are already a lot of different ways to get pvp, or simply refuse to do it and want a more easy, consequence free version of PVP on their own personal terms.

That is not how EVE works.

Go play one of those other dead MMOs like swtor
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2012-12-18 07:41:14 UTC
Eve way for arenas...

Allow a way to have legal PVP without wardec... With the safety system currently in place simply have a setting that makes you a legal target without criminal flag. Its simple and easy and effortless to implement.

With that in place, players can form their own arenas, their own rules, and everything else. This way its entirely player driven and loaded with the possibility for betrayal and scams that make eve so delicious!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#131 - 2012-12-18 09:01:09 UTC
AKilla Sunday wrote:
It's funny how almost everyone against it hints at the fact they will not be able to pray on the weak and lame.

No we don't like it because arenas have killed the pvp outside of them in every game they were put into.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#132 - 2012-12-18 09:19:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
AKilla Sunday wrote:
It's funny how almost everyone against it hints at the fact they will not be able to pray on the weak and lame.

No we don't like it because arenas have killed the pvp outside of them in every game they were put into.

Where do you think the people that suggest these awful ideas came from.

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Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2012-12-18 09:23:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Zagdul
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.


As long as everything that is destroyed is from the live economy, I don't see a problem with it.

In fact, it would open up a new official career path, The Bookie.
baltec1 wrote:
AKilla Sunday wrote:
It's funny how almost everyone against it hints at the fact they will not be able to pray on the weak and lame.

No we don't like it because arenas have killed the pvp outside of them in every game they were put into.


However, the difference between this game and every other game out there is that the ships taken into these arenas give you an advantage based on how much isk you spend. If the Arena were setup where all ships/mods/implants were from the economy, it would actually encourage war in EVE simply due to the value of the stuff being blown up.

Now, I'm not entirely on board with an "Arena" where we can make a tourney any time we want to and join up. The reason I'm against this is that it would take away from the e-sport aspect of how the current Alliance Tournament functions as a draw to EVE. It'd no longer be exclusive.

I do however feel that the Alliance Tournament needs to be a season.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement

Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-12-18 09:27:42 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.


As long as everything that is destroyed is from the live economy, I don't see a problem with it.

In fact, it would open up a new official career path, The Bookie.

And if the money is controlled by players, such an idea would be cast aside as another 'don't do - it's a scam' and be another broken/dead mechanic.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2012-12-18 09:30:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Zagdul
Marlona Sky wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.


As long as everything that is destroyed is from the live economy, I don't see a problem with it.

In fact, it would open up a new official career path, The Bookie.

And if the money is controlled by players, such an idea would be cast aside as another 'don't do - it's a scam' and be another broken/dead mechanic.


Quite possibly, but isn't that kind of the point to this game?

edit: people still use the contract system and for the most part, even with all the safeguards CCP has put in place, people still scam with it, people fall for them and it's still used.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#136 - 2012-12-18 09:32:36 UTC
Zagdul wrote:


However, the difference between this game and every other game out there is that the ships taken into these arenas give you an advantage based on how much isk you spend. If the Arena were setup where all ships/mods/implants were from the economy, it would actually encourage war in EVE simply due to the value of the stuff being blown up.



Every other game also runs on taking in the most expensive purple gear...
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#137 - 2012-12-18 09:33:16 UTC
*shrugs*

Dunno what an 'arena' is in all those other games, but a system where you could challenge someone to a duel (1v1) in highsec would be interesting.

Treat it the exact same way as a convo request. It costs ISK to initiate the challenge, and you can set the amount for someone to challenge you. Just like a convo request, you can decline or decline and block (altho I love the idea of setting the challenge amount at max and seeing if somebody is dumb enough to keep challenging you to a duel....)

If you accept, you and the other guy are immediately Blue-Flagged (Limited Engagement) to each other on a 15 minutes start timer. And the fights on.

Minimal change to the game coding for CCP, and if you lose, you have just lost your ship and maybe your pod too. And no insurance payout, buddy...you chose to participate in this fight, remember?

And yeah, to keep things spicy, 'neutral' repping is allowed (altho they would get sucked into the fight as well...or even better, make the reppers get Suspect flags and go blinky yellow. Yeah, thats even better.).

So there is still a chance your opponent might 'cheat', at a possible cost to his accomplices...just how much do you like So-and-so, anyway? Enough to risk your expensive logi ship?


Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2012-12-18 09:33:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Zagdul wrote:


However, the difference between this game and every other game out there is that the ships taken into these arenas give you an advantage based on how much isk you spend. If the Arena were setup where all ships/mods/implants were from the economy, it would actually encourage war in EVE simply due to the value of the stuff being blown up.



Every other game also runs on taking in the most expensive purple gear...


However, that 'Purple Gear" isn't destroyed when your match is over.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement

Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-12-18 09:34:27 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.

I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.


As long as everything that is destroyed is from the live economy, I don't see a problem with it.

In fact, it would open up a new official career path, The Bookie.

And if the money is controlled by players, such an idea would be cast aside as another 'don't do - it's a scam' and be another broken/dead mechanic.


Quite possibly, but isn't that kind of the point to this game?

edit: people still use the contract system and for the most part, even with all the safeguards CCP has put in place, people still scam with it, people fall for them and it's still used.

To have developers waste time on a new game mechanic that never gets used? No thanks. I said earlier that there most likely is a list of must and must not do for 'arenas' and if they can't be followed there is absolutely zero point in wasting time when CCP can spend that time fixing lag... er, I mean other stuff.
Matthew97
#140 - 2012-12-18 09:36:47 UTC
Matthew97 wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

While I understand this is a topic that generates a lot of very extreme feelings from members of the Community, keep it civil and don't spam.

If you're going to contribute, do so in a coherent and civil manner. Posting one liners will be regarded as spam and treated as such.





Don't troll - CCP Falcon


With regards to arenas, it kinda ruins the PVP idea of EvE and isn't needed.

Go to null / low sec or organize one with a corpy



Hey hey hey,

You edited my post to say

"Don't troll, or you'll get spanked - CCP Falcon" then removed the "or you'll get spanked" part?
What If I want to be spanked!!!!! Lol