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It's time CCP......Put Arenas in the game.

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#101 - 2012-12-17 18:39:35 UTC
OMG, how about resilience? And some pillars? Also put resilience in!

/facepalm

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highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#102 - 2012-12-17 18:49:48 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
Ocih wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Every time an arena is added to an MMO all the other pvp dies.


You do realize it's dead in EVE too?

An Arena wouldn't stop the T1 Industrial farming at low sec bottlenecks or PvE fit kill mails in anoms. Outside of those and random roaming kills, there is no PvP in EVE.



not to be mean.

but you're an idiot

pvp is dead?

do you follow eve-kill.net?

do you follow battleclinic's killboard?

pvp is alive and well. just because you can't think outside the box you've put your small brain inside, doesn't mean pvp is dead.

FC, what do?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#103 - 2012-12-17 19:18:36 UTC
Theresa Lamont wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
We have seen what happened in other MMOs. The PVP outside the arena died out in a matter of days because it is so much easier to get fights at the press of a button.


Highly possible. You have examples?

Restus in SWG. The moment it hit pvp everywhere else died.
Anemonae Ambrosia
Royal Order of Security Specialists
#104 - 2012-12-17 20:01:53 UTC
Instead of the OPs idea how about you just allow two pilots to willing enter a Limited Engagement with the same rules as now for the LE. Then let the players take that and turn it into whatever they want. RvB didn't kill PvP, can flipping for 1v1s didn't kill PvP, so this won't. It will just be another tool in the sandbox we can use to do some new things
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#105 - 2012-12-17 20:08:06 UTC
In my opinion, the very next (small) step after creating dedicated PvP "Arena's" in hi-sec, is having PvP ONLY in said "Arena's."

Also, in my opinion, there is a whole world of PvP to be had; just find yourself a low-sec gate and enjoy.

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Viktor Fel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2012-12-17 20:40:02 UTC
PvP is very easy to find in EVE. It is an ideal sandbox for it in fact. I do not believe that segregated arenas are an answer or should even be entertained. Some one mentioned SWGs' fail in this regard and it is true. One could also mentio nthe lameness of LOTROs' PVP system as an example of how arena stuff is pretty much fail.

Who is Viktor Fel?

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Nytak
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2012-12-17 21:12:52 UTC
Arenas in EVE??

Man, never thought I'd be offering this kinda advice but...


WOW is -------------------------------> That'a'way
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#108 - 2012-12-17 21:43:15 UTC
Hell no!

I might support some light game support for player run events (like an "arena" can that marks players who have left a certain boundary), but totally taking the risk away? It would cheapen the game greatly.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#109 - 2012-12-17 21:51:04 UTC
Nytak wrote:
Arenas in EVE??

Man, never thought I'd be offering this kinda advice but...


WOW is -------------------------------> That'a'way

Grinding PvP in WOW arenas, cold and harsh.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kalissis
#110 - 2012-12-17 22:30:24 UTC
Arenas will break Eve and harm it even more as titan bridges and passive income (tech) do/did.

Simple solution to more fun pvp: remove titan bridges and passive income --> DONE! Eve will be alive again.
Pretty GuyYeah
#111 - 2012-12-17 22:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Pretty GuyYeah
We need a battleground queue, so we can queue up anywhere. Then we enter the fight and take a break from missions, etc, and when it's over we respawn in warp where we entered the queue. We don't lose our ship of course! Pirate

Splendid idea, +1!





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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#112 - 2012-12-17 22:38:59 UTC
A R E N A was a horrible combination of letters to use.

Stop thinking WoW battleground guys.

Think sanctioned fights that you can bet on and watch.
The EVE tournaments, but with more player control.


Stop thinking WoW and think EVE.
Luke Visteen
#113 - 2012-12-17 22:40:15 UTC
ccp could implement a tetris or farmville clone that could be played on the widescreens in stations ....

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Lord Wiggin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2012-12-17 22:56:29 UTC
The reason I think this would work, and even help the game:

Currently, the people sitting around waiting to gank suspects are not looking for 1 vs 1, they are looking for ganks.

Most of the suspects are now simply trying to use the system to gain a 1 vs 1, that thinks he has help...and doesn't....Big smile

And this is EvE, combat takes many forms in EVE, I doubt this would have an effect on any of them.

The only thing Arenas would be provide for is honor duels, where the players set the rules, and no outside interference is possible.
Add to that a betting mini-game, that involves the community, and I think it would help the provide a more cohesive highsec experience in the long run.
Low sec and 0.0 each have their own set of rules, and don't need or want an Arena. This is about High-sec, and the long term evolution of the game.
Lowsec and 0.0 people constantly complain about wanting more people to come to 0.0, why not introduce a vanilla version of small pvp to Highsec, get them to watch it, and maybe get involved themselves.....wouldn't this be a win for all secs?


To be perfectly honest, I don't know that I would use an Arena that much, but I would certainly bet on the battles.


Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-12-17 22:59:40 UTC
Just spilling my brain all over the table in an effort to figure out under which circumstances..let's call it "price-fighting"... would work.

1. No physical system. It's the friggin future, it should be a virtual reality- make it look cool, like the Tron world.

2. No existing ships. We don't want to obsolete "real" pvp. Instead, maybe 4 or 5 different special "arena-frigates" that do not exist in the "real" eve world. They should have a fixed fitting, you can only chose the complete ships, you cannot change the modules (once again, real pvp should be much more challenging and complex than pricefights).

3. Let other players watch and place bets...this is the point that I like the most.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2012-12-17 22:59:46 UTC
Luke Visteen wrote:
ccp could implement a tetris or farmville clone that could be played on the widescreens in stations ....


I just open my IGB and play Lemmings! Big smile

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#117 - 2012-12-17 23:58:37 UTC
I really think a combat simulator as an extension of the fitting tool would be epic.



Don't think of it as replacing PVP, as we could not expect some kind of rating system (though a record would be great for players looking to join corps and show that while lacking "real" combat experience they know how to fly their ship) .


Yes there are a lot of "Fitaholics" out there who might never be fleet fodder again, nor get blobbed in nullsec from that day forward as they constantly work out their ship fittings in the sim. I can even see the siim get used the way we use a FPS game.


But this grindforISK->Lose Ship->grindforISK->Lose Ship thing is not really good for retention.

PVP in this game reminds me of a Disney ride, waiting half an afternoon for a ride that lasts minutes.


But we should think of the new players at least. Not everybody has their own POS/Clone vat with fitted ships lined up - effectively treating their hangar like a respawn point.


Ah well. We're all just playing pickup sticks with our butts discussing this anyway.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
KatanTharkay
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2012-12-18 00:01:26 UTC
No need for arenas as long as you have something like RVB. Big smile
But it would be awesome if CCP would allow corps within an alliance declare war on each other. We could see the rise of many PVP schools and sporting systems.
Deadly Denali
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2012-12-18 00:20:21 UTC
I say no, that is not what EVE is about. Try null or low sec.
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2012-12-18 00:26:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ocih wrote:


No, you are getting kills. The kind I mentioned before you hacked up my reply in your misquote. Industrial and PvE kills. You would continue to get those with an Arena because I can't haul trit through an Arena or grind ISK in an arena. Give it up, PvP is dead in this game.


dead

Nevermind the thousands of ships that get blown up doing it every single day...



That one wasn't bad. The part where you dropped a hundred capitals on them when they came back isn't in there though and is the main reason people want an Arena.