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It's time CCP......Put Arenas in the game.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#301 - 2012-12-24 18:18:19 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Instanced and sealed off activities have no place in Eve. There is literally no activity in which a 3rd party cannot interfere or force themselves into, for fun or profit.

The entire point of an arena system is to seal the fight off so it's "fair". That is simply not something that has a place in Eve. This is without even mentioning the fact that there is no "fair" because there are inherent ship imbalances that can only be mitigated via teamwork and non-instanced fighting (system games, etc).

The only thing that makes sense is a way to initiate and verify the outcome of limited engagements. A fleet becoming aggressed to another fleet, with a summary of kills after 10 minutes, for example. If accessible via the API, this could very easily lead to player-run arenas, tournaments, betting, etc. It would do this via player interaction and providing tools for the sandbox (the Eve way), not via instanced "forced" PvP.
This. Not a bad idea regards the APi.

But let's face it, Eve is already one big arena.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#302 - 2012-12-24 18:26:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
Mag's wrote:
This. Not a bad idea regards the APi.

But let's face it, Eve is already one big arena.

It is, but the way its PvP documentation currently works makes it a bit prohibitive for organized tournaments / betting games / etc, due to some contributors being ommitted (logi, fleet boosters, etc), and due to it not providing some context for the kill.

More comprehensive verifiable combat logs, complete killmails, and verification of how/why the fight happened (gank vs. agreed fight vs. whatever else) would be great for the ability of 3rd party devs to create things like ranked tournaments.

I have myself looked at the possibility of doing something like this, but put it off due to the amount of work and documentation it would take from the duelists, plus the amount of faith it takes on my side to know that there was nothing shady involved in the kill.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#303 - 2012-12-24 19:37:34 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Mag's wrote:
This. Not a bad idea regards the APi.

But let's face it, Eve is already one big arena.

It is, but the way its PvP documentation currently works makes it a bit prohibitive for organized tournaments / betting games / etc, due to some contributors being ommitted (logi, fleet boosters, etc), and due to it not providing some context for the kill.

More comprehensive verifiable combat logs, complete killmails, and verification of how/why the fight happened (gank vs. agreed fight vs. whatever else) would be great for the ability of 3rd party devs to create things like ranked tournaments.

I have myself looked at the possibility of doing something like this, but put it off due to the amount of work and documentation it would take from the duelists, plus the amount of faith it takes on my side to know that there was nothing shady involved in the kill.
Well yes I agree to an extent, but arenas per se are not something I think will work.

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Ghazu
#304 - 2012-12-25 02:53:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghazu
Well, arenas won't be so bad if done correctly. Some ground rules.
There will be absolutely no spawning of ships/things, you must buy it off the market hub like everything else in eve.
Arenas should have its own separate killboard tracking.

what I envision the arena zone:
- opportunities for combatants to participate in controlled matches of 5 vs 5 or 10 vs 10 etc.
- opportunities for marketeers to seed new market hubs to supply the combatants

Also, because 2 main events a year is not enough.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#305 - 2012-12-25 19:08:34 UTC
If you are too coward to arrange a duel with the current mechanics then you have no business playing this game.

Arenas can get out and stay out.

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Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#306 - 2012-12-25 20:42:44 UTC


Wiggins is a WOW Dev...



"Hey it destroyed US, so it should work on the competition, right?".
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#307 - 2012-12-25 21:04:15 UTC
No.

The way it is now, in the world of Eve, almost every aspect of gameplay that took place outside of a station can be interrupted by other players, be it PVE or PVP, there are no "exclusive instances" apart from game wide events. That's the beauty of sandbox, and that means that it's also one of the reason why some people keep playing this game.

TL;DR, Unless there's still a way for a 3rd party to go in and sh*t all over the so mentioned "Arena" or If CCP manage to formulate an idea that incorporates an "Arena" without going outside the sandbox concept, then it's a 'maybe' from me.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#308 - 2012-12-25 21:07:12 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
If you are too coward to arrange a duel with the current mechanics then you have no business playing this game.

Arenas can get out and stay out.

They don't net to :getout: if they were never in. Let's hope this is the case.

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Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#309 - 2012-12-25 21:15:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarah Schneider
Ares Desideratus wrote:
It just doesn't make sense to NOT have arenas.

It doesn't have to be for large scale battles. "Safe" or "legitimate" 1v1s in a high-sec arena would not break PvP.

There is no reason to not have them lore or storywise.

The game just doesn't make sense without them, it's like, why the **** wouldn't a game with as much combat as Eve have an arena?

The people saying "No," and "Oh it's a bad idea," are seriously ********. You don't have to use the arena if you don't like it.

Eve is a sandbox. Arena is an exclusive instance where X number of players fights Y numbers without intervention from outside source. It shouldn't exist in a sandbox concept and should never be. Players should be the one who determine whether something is "fair", who won, who lose, what are the rules and there should always be a way for an outside party to bash and f*ck up the entire process. That is what Eve is about.

If the concept of an Arena could accommodate those things, then yes, perhaps it may work, but then again, if that was the case, it's not exactly an "Arena" is it?

PS: With no disrespect towards the devs who considered the idea, I've only got one question regarding this topic. Is Eve a sandbox, or is it not?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#310 - 2012-12-25 21:20:13 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Eve is a sandbox. Arena is an exclusive instance where X number of players fights Y numbers without intervention from outside source. It shouldn't exist in a sandbox concept and should never be. Players should be the one who determine whether something is "fair", who won, who lose, what are the rules and there should always be a way for an outside party to bash and f*ck up the entire process. That is what Eve is about.

If the concept of an Arena could accommodate those things, then yes, perhaps it may work, but then again, if that was the case, it's not exactly an "Arena" is it?

PS: With no disrespect towards the devs who considered the idea, I've only got one question regarding this topic. Is Eve a sandbox, or is it not?

EVE is a highsec, security comes from NPCs and NPC corp mechanics.

Arenas fit right in.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#311 - 2012-12-25 21:35:13 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
It just doesn't make sense to NOT have arenas.

It doesn't have to be for large scale battles. "Safe" or "legitimate" 1v1s in a high-sec arena would not break PvP.

There is no reason to not have them lore or storywise.

The game just doesn't make sense without them, it's like, why the **** wouldn't a game with as much combat as Eve have an arena?

The people saying "No," and "Oh it's a bad idea," are seriously ********. You don't have to use the arena if you don't like it.


The problem is that when arenas are added they remove the pvp from everywhere else in the game. Why go hunting when you can get a fight at the click of a button with no chance of getting blobbed? The more that join the arena the less targets out in the rest of the game so more join the arena to get fights.

Its happened in every single MMO that has added them and will happen here too.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#312 - 2012-12-25 21:36:56 UTC
I'd love to have risk free safe-spots where me and my alt can idle all we like. That doesn't sound broken at all.

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Umega
Solis Mensa
#313 - 2012-12-25 22:17:43 UTC
Too many valid points already stated as to why 'No'. And I agree.. isolated, game mechanic controled 'Arena' is a terrible idea for EVE.

The people that I think welcome the idea are people that are tired of being ganked by numbers, running around low/null/wh. And people that are tired of finding 1v1 anywhere on the map, only to have the result skew'd by RR or fleet booster alt.

One thing people love about sports.. is the statistics. I think Killmails should be more elaborate on what/who else is effecting the outcome. Couple this with having the varies 3rd party killboard sites implement these 'outside' factors into the rankings. It also provides intel.. (which bothers me, I admit.. as I believe such intel should be found within the game itself).

On-grid boosting, coupled with fleet boosting working the same as RR when transfering crimewatch flags.. would help promote more legit '1v1' (and make for more expensive boomboom). This would make would make things more interesting, and entertaining imo.. from high to null. But yeah, I get it.. dream on as the rl monetary value of off-grid alt boosting is too high for CCP. Although..

This is EVE.. and whether people want to admit to it or not, the risk/reward ratio with having/using off-grid alt fleet boosters is WAAAAY to swayed on the reward side with next to little, or even zero.. Risk. That is Not EVE.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#314 - 2012-12-25 23:35:52 UTC
Umega wrote:


This is EVE.. and whether people want to admit to it or not, the risk/reward ratio with having/using off-grid alt fleet boosters is WAAAAY to swayed on the reward side with next to little, or even zero.. Risk. That is Not EVE.


Soon there will be no off grid boostingBlink
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#315 - 2012-12-26 01:32:47 UTC
My solution to the problem at hand is wormholes. Get a few friends together, drop down a hole and see what will bite. It can be done in fairly cheap ships which will still pose significant threat to well-prepared inhabitants. If you are worried about implants, do the mission grind and get a Jump Clone. On the other hand, now that we have a Limited Engagement mechanic it wouldn't be a bad idea to give people a simple duelling option instead of fiddling with cans. I'd find it more immersive to respond to a personal challenge then to litter Hek spouting obscenities in local.
Ares Desideratus
UNSAFE SPACE
#316 - 2012-12-26 02:45:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ares Desideratus
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Eve is a sandbox. Arena is an exclusive instance where X number of players fights Y numbers without intervention from outside source. It shouldn't exist in a sandbox concept and should never be. Players should be the one who determine whether something is "fair", who won, who lose, what are the rules and there should always be a way for an outside party to bash and f*ck up the entire process. That is what Eve is about.

If the concept of an Arena could accommodate those things, then yes, perhaps it may work, but then again, if that was the case, it's not exactly an "Arena" is it?

PS: With no disrespect towards the devs who considered the idea, I've only got one question regarding this topic. Is Eve a sandbox, or is it not?

EVE is a highsec, security comes from NPCs and NPC corp mechanics.

Arenas fit right in.

R Maybe he's right though - and maybe some V group of players should make their own arena. B

Get it done mah fahs
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#317 - 2012-12-26 07:08:30 UTC
Its called the alliance tournament.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#318 - 2012-12-26 07:20:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Umega wrote:
This is EVE.. and whether people want to admit to it or not, the risk/reward ratio with having/using off-grid alt fleet boosters is WAAAAY to swayed on the reward side with next to little, or even zero.. Risk. That is Not EVE.

Soon there will be no off grid boostingBlink

Ongrid neutral alt on the jita 4-4 undock boosting !

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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#319 - 2012-12-26 10:16:14 UTC
OP. Why not have duellist A and duellist B join the same corporation.

Have one of them zoom to somewhere in the system, make a bookmark and then tell the other to come for a scrap behind the galactic bikesheds?

It worked for us when we were at school and it should work in New Eden.

There. Nothing needs to be fixed. It's all here already.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#320 - 2012-12-26 10:18:54 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Eve is a sandbox. Arena is an exclusive instance where X number of players fights Y numbers without intervention from outside source. It shouldn't exist in a sandbox concept and should never be. Players should be the one who determine whether something is "fair", who won, who lose, what are the rules and there should always be a way for an outside party to bash and f*ck up the entire process. That is what Eve is about.

If the concept of an Arena could accommodate those things, then yes, perhaps it may work, but then again, if that was the case, it's not exactly an "Arena" is it?

PS: With no disrespect towards the devs who considered the idea, I've only got one question regarding this topic. Is Eve a sandbox, or is it not?

EVE is a highsec, security comes from NPCs and NPC corp mechanics.

Arenas fit right in.

R Maybe he's right though - and maybe some V group of players should make their own arena. B

Get it done mah fahs


I've offered to start an arena that would run 23.5/7, Unfortunately no one was interested.

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