EVE General Discussion

I don't think it's something to get all upset over, as long as people realize why it's a poor idea.

Eve was specifically designed not to be a dog-fighting game, but rather to be about preparation, strategy, tactics, etc.

Could you take the basic gameplay and make a decent dogfighting game out of it? Sure, but that was specifically not the intention for Eve. To muddle somewhere in the middle is to create some terrible hybrid game that appeals to no one. If Eve ends up being a failure as a sandbox game, then I think arenas would be a great idea for milking a little more cash out of this particular cow. As it stands, however, all effort should be put towards continuing to make this great experiment that is a space exploration sandbox pvp mmorpg. So far it's pretty ******* awesome, and could continue to get better if the right lessons are learned from the past and applied to the deigns for the future.

I would sooner cut off my own left nut.

Pvp Arena's are a bad bad idea.

However it would be nice to have an option for people to "agree" to pvp while in hisec such as a UI option. One example, Two people want to just test ships out, click his ship, click 'pvp request' , target gets a message that he can agree or not too and the fight can begin, simple and fun. Such requests are usually result of the said two people chatting or talking previously. So instead of having to drop a can, steal from can etc..make it a easy UI option.

When companies give customers more options for their enjoyment without taking away from other customers, everyone wins and CCP makes more money.

I think we have differing ideas of what an arena is or could be.


My idea of an arena is simply a combat simulator to help test fittings and should be an extension of the fitting tool. You get blown up, you are back to the fitting screen (the "drawing board"). That's a simple take on a complex issue: we have a lot of conjecture and "calculator warfare" in the realm of fitting and if you have to lose ship after ship to find out if a fit works, then it's a game of "he who has the most $$ for PLEX wins" or "he who has the most time to grind for ISK wins" situation.

Anybody who could be against a combat simulator for the purpose of testing ships and pilots, thinking that it's going to cost them kills, is a pathetic PVPer. So the Noob has to end up in your gate camp and go down in 2 seconds for you to be happy? Noobs need to learn how concentrated firepower can taken down any ship in a manner that does not have them back in the clone vat saying "so, that's EvE Online? Bye bye". If that bothers you, people actually learning to survive before you blap them, then have fun sitting on your gate camp all day and then coming to the forums complaining about a lack of targets and low null/low populations.

The other concept of the arena that continues to come up appears to be something like "real ships, real space" but in a protected or controlled zone, much like the Alliance tournament. Well, if that's that people want, they should have it because they are still going out of their way to lose ships or gain some wins without the usual "blob or get blobbed" and Neutral RR FU asshattery. Can you blame them? If the ATs were perfectly OK such that everybody loves to watch them in HD and gush over the prize ships, then why are smaller scale engagements suddenly a bad idea? Hypocrisy much?

There also appears to be a concept of a WoW type arena system. Well I don't think that, based on the pattern of things seen since 2006, CCP would do it like that. I don't think we will every see a WoW battleground type of setup, complete with capture the flag maps, and "honor points" you can turn in for epics (like LPs for faction goodies?). I don't think that this is even being asked for. But seriously, I can run missions for Federal this or that till my head falls off, and then get nice goodies for it - would it not be more leet to have to earn them in a PVP battlefield?

That's just a question to think about.


They just better not have a CTF map because a spaceship ship a little flag sticking out of it would be too much even for me.


I think the simplest thing is at least a combat simulator to test fits. Half the time I think people either think their ships won't survive more than a minute and don't want to get PWNED badly, and the other half people go into PVP thinking they will last long enough to make a dent, and they get PWNED badly.

In the shooting world, we shoot gourds in front of kids so they know what a bullet can do and prevent them from treating guns like toys. Obviously since internet spaceships is such serious business, some means of knowing what a ship can or cannot do would be helpful.

dude...you just re-invented sisi

True dat!

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=140500&m=12&y=2012

What do you actually see every day on Amarr undock when you kill noobships and pods with your friends, or when you used to blob in null?

It would appear to me that you are the one who is afraid of flying solo out in the wild.

Maybe I missed another post but, you aren't exactly expressing your ideas why arena is such a bad idea. So, let me throw some out there and maybe you can tell me if I'm understand where you're coming from or not.

Arena is a bad idea because:

1) It'll make pvp safe and therefore people won't want to pvp for real.

I can see the concern here. But, it can be done in such a way as to not draw away people from real pvp. It can have a cost to participate. It can be held in a specific system making it necessary to travel to do it. It can be the home of P2W. No accolades, km's or rewards can be given thereby removing it as status driven activity.

It's never going to drive people out of dangerous space. As long as there's no profit motive for the players, it won't usurp routine player activity in those areas.

I'm truly interested in knowing why arena's, in your opinion, are "disgusting".

2) No risk pvp is lame and for losers.

Oh? Ever go to Sisi? Ever spar with a corp-mate?

3) It's a slippery slope to be more WoW like.

Can't argue with this. But again, if done correctly it's not going to displace residents in dangerous space. You'll still have your pvp there. And arenas won't replace the joy most eve players get from ruining someone else's day. Besides, most, day to day, pvp is about ambushing, not pitting fleets against each other using 17th century battle rules.

If anything, by providing an in game facility to test one's mettle, it should provide richer pvp environments in the long run.

Every other MMO that did this ended up with no pvp outside of arenas.

I think that I must have shouted No, No, No a hundred times and then I had a thought.

Why shouldn't players be allowed to build Acceleration Gates of thier own which point to random spots in system.

Player A could then tell Player B where the gate is and then meet there. This then gives them a small arena of space in which to duel.

And, of course, they can still be scanned down when they are in the pocket of space (and anyone jumping in will jump directly to that spot).

This satisfies those who wish to arrange a scrap of their own, satisfies those who wish to find them and, most important, doesn't break Eve canon.

Make sure that the gates cost the appropriate amount and require the necessary skills. Then we can have a new breed of fight promoters, tournaments or what have we.

But please don't just make an Arena.

- Myfanwy