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It's time CCP......Put Arenas in the game.

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fukier
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2012-12-18 18:14:43 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
You know, I might start an Arena. Setup 1v1 battles & stream it on to YouTube, allow people to bet on the participants. All I need is some trustworthy people to assist me with running it 23.5/7.



perhaps an ehhanced version of my idea from this post would be the best way to achieve this idea...
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2012-12-18 18:16:29 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
If you ignore the OP itself, don't think of it as "WoW style arena", and instead think of it in "EVE terms" it's not a bad idea.


The EVE tournaments, but player driven, and tools that facilitate the ability to bet on the outcomes.

I wouldn't mind a system dedicated to providing arenas for people to schedule matches. A jita like system with beacons that we can warp to to watch a match, or have them broadcast on monitors in space or in the CQ.

Players in the system can schedule matches for random apponents or schedule a match against someone specifically.
And I mean SCHEDULE. As in, you schedule a match for X date, around Y time. You know, when you know you'll be on and you'd like to participate. If you have enough system the schedule should be managable and create "regional champions".

They could even have GM run fight events periodically where the best people in the various regions will fight for "the belt" tha they would hold for a period of time.

I'm sure that CCP is capable of developing the system tools needed to mimic something like BOXING.


WoW arenas are horrible.

EVE "arenas" could be frigging awesome.


OP should just delete his OP and then copy/ paste this post in it's place.

PS: The AT's would be the olympics of EVE, this would be the boxing.



We really need to stop calling it an Arena and instead call it a persistent tournament system.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#183 - 2012-12-18 18:44:42 UTC
who cares if pvp is done in arenas or not? in the end your ship will blow up anyway O,o isnt that what matters, ships blowing up? also arenas wont affect sov at all since you still have to fight in null to control null sec space.
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#184 - 2012-12-18 20:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Dragon Outlaw
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


As bad as the op.

Geez, I wonder why it works in WoT. I wonder if it's got something to do with the entire game beign built around that very gameplay mechanic, wtf?

Holy ****, you just wrote a small wall of text trying to compare a non persistant world game and "how it works" to EVE.
Are you not actually playing EVE


I was logged in Eve (and playing) almost all weekend m8.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#185 - 2012-12-18 20:16:33 UTC
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


As bad as the op.

Geez, I wonder why it works in WoT. I wonder if it's got something to do with the entire game beign built around that very gameplay mechanic, wtf?

Holy ****, you just wrote a small wall of text trying to compare a non persistant world game and "how it works" to EVE.
Are you not actually playing EVE


I was logged in Eve almost all weekend m8.


Logged in doesn't mean you're playing.

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GatoOFruits
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#186 - 2012-12-18 20:29:16 UTC

I would not mind the concept of "duels": via contract 2 individuals agree to fight in a specified ship class, they meet in a System, Concord is there to guarantee that there is not off-grid booster, no remote repair alt and nobody (included the mandatory Falcon pilot) interfere with the fight. No spectator, no "ranking", no betting, all ships and clones destroyable. Not an arena but a duel as a quick way to resolve differences of opinions.
motgus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#187 - 2012-12-18 20:30:35 UTC
Go back to WoW, no one wants this bullshit here
fukier
Gallente Federation
#188 - 2012-12-18 20:34:37 UTC
motgus wrote:
Go back to WoW, no one wants this bullshit here



but but i want them here Cry
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
Sarlot
Doomheim
#189 - 2012-12-18 20:47:26 UTC
An arena in a pvp game? Isn't that redundant? Isn't .4 sec and below an arena?
Am I missing something or is this just another whine for more handholding in this once brutal game?
I don't know what to make of it. As all the other mmos continue to shrivel and die and old Eve keeps chugging along we keep hearing these pathetic cries to turn this game into yet another dying mmo. Come up with a NEW idea for one on one pvp!! Areyou that devoid of ideas?
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#190 - 2012-12-18 20:52:37 UTC
Why not start this with the limited engagement tag?
You set the price on yourself (default is a number that can not be afforded, or for true EVEness 100k)
Then when you are ready to do it you look for someone else with a le tag setup
The actual set up should be much like trade, both your price tags show up along with your fits.
If you both agree the fight starts.
During this time you can not swap ships so as to prevent a frig fight from suddenly having a rokh with small guns on field.
Winner can be whoever survives or in the event you run away and the timer runs down, whoever did the most damage.
Prize is the money wagered in the tags

EVE goodies that set it apart are:
No instancing, you have to see the person and you fight right there
Outside help is allowed, though you will have some interesting results with the rest of the people much as now.
So yes you can use a suicide gank to win instantly, though your suicider still suffers.
But hey this is EVE you didnt need that ship anyways.
Scamming is possible, set up your implants right and you can mow them down.
Or set your fee to a number the careless will regret.
Or perhaps you get a little refit help from that ORCA hanging around(unless the flags prevent refitting your ship at the SMA, never been with an Orca so no clue)
Streaming, have a list of those with the tags availible and that we can watch.
Betting for now can be handled by a third party person, with all that entails in EVETwisted
Klown Walk
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#191 - 2012-12-18 21:11:18 UTC
People complain how empty low sec/0.0 is and you want to have pvp arenas, I'm sure that will make it much better. I remember WoW having very active world pvp and as soon as they added battlegrounds/arenas to the game world pvp died.
YoYo NickyYo
Doomheim
#192 - 2012-12-18 21:53:19 UTC
Sarlot wrote:
An arena in a pvp game? Isn't that redundant? Isn't .4 sec and below an arena?
Am I missing something or is this just another whine for more handholding in this once brutal game?
I don't know what to make of it. As all the other mmos continue to shrivel and die and old Eve keeps chugging along we keep hearing these pathetic cries to turn this game into yet another dying mmo. Come up with a NEW idea for one on one pvp!! Areyou that devoid of ideas?


I think the OP's point was, there is no Honor in EVE....Shocked

The only way to ensure a duel is fair in EVE is to have an arena, participants should be able to preset rules and ship fitting limitations. The ships enter the arena , and you fight it out without outside interference.

Actually I kind of like the idea, it wouldn't appeal to low sec or 0.0 people, but then that wouldn't be it's target audience anyway....


I am not, nor will I ever be...Nicky Yo.... The question you should ask is.....When will they release the NICKY!
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#193 - 2012-12-18 22:37:37 UTC
I think a system that creates a professional 1v1 fight league that encourages the sponsorship model you see in boxing/ufc or racing could work in EvE. Corps/alliances could sponsor the fighters (**would be pimp if it got the corp logo on a ship**) or sponsor full events/purses. This could create a new profession. Prize Fighter. Sometimes the fix will be in... but thats not really all that different from real life. This sponsorship system could also create a new recruiting pipeline. Maybe it can give some real content (social and PEW PEW) to new players. Recruiters could have a field day with that too I'd bet.

I haven't always been in the "pro arena" camp. I've come to the conclusion though that its the only path to a fair 1v1 fight. It is completely disingenuous to suggest null or lowsec for 1v1 activity for a few reasons.

1) Come 1v1 me in null. I'll be the one in the Arazu. Remember "EvE isn't fair. 1v1 lol".

2) Yes it might be possible to get everyone into a deep cynojammed null system with all entrances gate camped to ensure a fair fight. It might be possible to create a secure corridor for legit new players that want to participate to travel down. I would say it would be hard at best to guarantee that for a day. How about for 10 publicly announced fights for the next month? 20? 30? Oh can you live stream all of that too please. And run a legit betting house? Player run leagues like this can't scale.

3) If all the participants were in the same corp in hi sec... they'd have to leave their current corp? The corp would get dec'd into oblivion?

As a player run event a fight league is a lot of work for something that is guaranteed to be disrupted constantly. The game has to have systems to support this for it to be a reality on a large game wide scale. Keep it 1v1 and keep the ship losses real and I don't see how arena 1v1 PvP could possibly threaten null/low PvP if RvB didn't.

Every day I'm wafflin!
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#194 - 2012-12-18 22:51:37 UTC
wait, arenas? don't we have test server for that already?

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Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#195 - 2012-12-19 00:44:27 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Maxpie wrote:
Lord Wiggin wrote:
Set up a betting system


I can see all sorts of new scams arising out of people gaming such a system. Other than that, this idea is without merit. If you want arenas, there are tons of other games that have them. Can't we have one, just one game that is different. Please?

Or that would be one of the pluses of a betting system.

People being able to manipulate ods. Just because it would be a "bad act" doesn't make it a "bad idea", or "unfun".

There is no such thing as unmanipualted ods, the fact that they exist means that someone is already manipulating something. Gambling is a scam by it's very nature.


Stop thinking about WoW arenas, the OP is off his rocker. Instead think EVE and tools. Because that would be a great addition to the game.


Yes, that's what I was saying - the scamming potential would be the only plus. As for the arena idea, or however you want to lable it, I dislike the idea completely. There are tons of games out there that hold your hand. If anything, they need to go even more in the direction of player created content.

I'll ask again - can't we have just one game that is different? Please?

No good deed goes unpunished
Lord Wiggin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2012-12-19 01:30:44 UTC
Maxpie wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Maxpie wrote:
Lord Wiggin wrote:
Set up a betting system


I can see all sorts of new scams arising out of people gaming such a system. Other than that, this idea is without merit. If you want arenas, there are tons of other games that have them. Can't we have one, just one game that is different. Please?

Or that would be one of the pluses of a betting system.

People being able to manipulate ods. Just because it would be a "bad act" doesn't make it a "bad idea", or "unfun".

There is no such thing as unmanipualted ods, the fact that they exist means that someone is already manipulating something. Gambling is a scam by it's very nature.


Stop thinking about WoW arenas, the OP is off his rocker. Instead think EVE and tools. Because that would be a great addition to the game.


Yes, that's what I was saying - the scamming potential would be the only plus. As for the arena idea, or however you want to lable it, I dislike the idea completely. There are tons of games out there that hold your hand. If anything, they need to go even more in the direction of player created content.

I'll ask again - can't we have just one game that is different? Please?



I wasn't proposing something like other games. I was talking 1 Arena per hub. 1 match at a time. Not instanced battle grounds. The ability for players to preselect allowed ships and fittings. You would have the choice of getting in a queue to fight, or scheduling a match. Prizes aren't really required, this is simply dueling. Pilots getting sponsorship is a nice idea. Maybe a minimal fee per ship to enter the Arena for an additional sink.
Could the betting be scammed....Well this is EVE, but reputation will likely mean a lot in the betting end.

Think of the possibilities for reinvolvement in this mini-game. Regional broadcasts, you can sit in your mining ship, bored to tears, tired of watching pron and watch a match, even place a bet.
Even have out of game broadcasts

Regional tournaments is another interesting idea, groups competing for a regional title.
The only reason I brought this up at all, was I seeing so many instances of people wanting a 1 vs 1, but watching it devolve into, you did this, and you did that, you have a Falcon hanging around....etc.
Dueling, two men enter, one man leaves, although I guess teams could be possible as well.


Az Tek
Overheat.Everything
#197 - 2012-12-19 03:00:44 UTC
First and fore most,

NO

H*LL NO

Second. Non-Consensual PVP is best PVP.

I'm reading comments saying things like,

Ocih wrote:
It's a good idea. Don't let the dedicate griefer entitlement gang tell you otherwise.


Etherealclam wrote:
I fully support this. Global ganking is and always has been a bad thing.


I'd ask you if you understood WHY EVE is such a great game, but judging by your post you clearly do not.

EVE in it's entirety is based on everything pointing AWAY from this. It's a Sandbox where ANYTHING can happen. There should not EVER be a designated place to PVP in the sense that you are referring to.

I solo PVP for the most part and think that this is a horrible idea. IF you do not want a 1v1 legitimately then I am going to STILL try my hardest to kill or gank you. Asking is only a courtesy.

There is nothing more awesome than roaming about solo or even small gang and running into a fleet. And while trying to determine the best way to approach and attack said fleet another fleet comes in and starts fighting the other. You, by your self, maneuver in and out of the fight picking off stragglers and surviving all the while participating in glorious battle. I play this game to do what I want when I want. Take that away and you got WOW.

Solution?

If you want Area style PVP Play WOW!
If you want risk free gaming play WOW!

Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#198 - 2012-12-19 04:02:06 UTC
Lord Wiggin wrote:

I wasn't proposing something like other games. I was talking 1 Arena per hub. 1 match at a time. Not instanced battle grounds. The ability for players to preselect allowed ships and fittings. You would have the choice of getting in a queue to fight, or scheduling a match. Prizes aren't really required, this is simply dueling.


So you want to create an alternate combat scenario that bypasses risk/reward entirely? You don't see why this violates the core concept that the entire game is built around, why it cheapens combat and combat experience?

This might be a "back in my day" moment, but back in 2005 I remember being in 0.0 with a few friends. This was the first time we had been out into null sec, and we were scared. We were in cruisers and 1 guy could fly a BC. A Domi dropped down on us out of the blue and instead of fighting like we agreed on, we all pissed our pants and ran, leaving the BC to be eaten alive by the Domi.

The shock of combat, the experience of fighting in and against expensive ships for the first time, it's all an important part of what makes Eve great.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#199 - 2012-12-19 04:18:34 UTC
I had a 1v1 once... it was outside a station

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Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#200 - 2012-12-19 05:32:11 UTC
People keep coming here from WOW with ideas from WOW.

Get Out.


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