Player Features and Ideas Discussion

damn thread nuking bug.
this is something I've been thinking about for a while now. since I'm in a corp full of miners I didn't really have anyone to bounce these numbers off of to take it easy on me, they are probably way out of proportion or altering the wrong thing.
these are skills that are supposed to affect all ships of the related races ships. it's to try and get people into using their races set of weapons on their ships.
the theory behind it is that although the ships would be different in the overall functionality, they would still have many similarities.
so here it is.
core gallente functionality: 2.5 to tracking speed of blasters and 4% to the flight speed of drones per level
secondary gallente functionality: 5% to effectiveness and range of stasis webifiers per level.

core amarr functionality: 2.5% to signature resolution of laser turrets, and 4% less capacitor used for laser turrets per level
secondary amarr functionality: 5% to the effectiveness of energy vampire and energy transfer arrays per level. as well as 2.5% more capacitor used for the activation of energy transfer arrays per level

core caldari functionality: 2.5% to the explosion velocity, and 4% to the optimal range of railguns per level
secondary caldari functionality: 5% to the effectiveness of ECM and ECCM modules per level

core minmatar functionality: 2.5 to (I can't think of something to put here that will not directly increase DPS), and 4% to the falloff of projectile weapons per level
secondary minmatar functionality: 5% to the effectiveness of target painters per level

the two I feel really need to be looked at are the amarr secondary and the 2.5% for the minmatar core skill. I have one for the amarr, but it's somewhat of a background effect while the other 3 are bonuses to force multipliers.
and as I said at the beginning, don't flame, give numbers that you think would fit or change what is modified, or just change the entire thing. this is a raw plan, but I think it would add more flavor to combat.

EDIT1: I forgot to mention pirate ships. it could be done that all 4 related skills affect those but at a diminished level such as somewhere between 25%-75% of the effect of the skill. or it could use the primary of one race while using the secondary of the other.

EDIT2: changed speed/flight time of cal missiles to explosion velocity. changed amarr from sig radius to signature resolution.

A quicker solution would be to have each race and or subsequent bloodline have a static bonus to piloting their particular race of ships.


Caldari pilots would all receive a bonus to missile explosion velocity.

Achura receive that bonus plus some kind of additional industrial bonus...


Just a thought but meh.

ya, we could do that, but I want it to still be possible for people to fly other ships equally with others. but that would also prevent people from race hopping as much as they commonly do.and I actually approve of stopping that.
and I'm aware there are ship specific skills, or ship class specific skills, but I mean everything from the noobship to the titans of one race are affected by the skills.

I'm not saying you're stuck with it, it's a skill you can train to be more effective with an entire race of ships. but if you want to go fly another race you can go buy the skill and train it up. it's just that since you trained in your races ships, you are far more familiar with them off the bat.
however if we made them embedded in your race they would probably be a lower amount meaning that you can get a bonus, but it could be negated by playing skills and underdeveloped character skills.
one thing that I've been thinking about is having it have a long training time like an X8-X10 training time. but doing that would make the newbies have a massive pile of SP, so maybe make it have something like /8 - /10 training time, meaning that it has a similar number of SP as a level 1 skill but it trans 8-10 time slower. by doing this it will force people to take time to train up this skill but still make it feasible for newbies to have high levels of this skill as the start.

I would like them to implement somthing along these lines, although I'd prefer they were a bit more universal - so that bonuses to tracking are for all turrets not just hybrid.

There really needs to be more difference between the races other than the starting ship skills u get, like Bloodlines used to give different attributes such as +4 will or +2 perception +2 will.

CCP has moved away from this model I doubt theyll move back to it.

I would personally love racial bonuses.

as I stated, this is a set of skills. not hardwired into your race.
so if a newbie gallente pilot goes and flies caldari they will do fairly well, and by the time their skills would mean anything they probably would have picked up these skills.



I accounted for that in the first post. it would either be 50-50 of all the related skills (if you have them) or it could take the dominant race to pick the skills for. since it's shield based, uses missiles, and based off a cal hull it would get cal bonuses.
but as for that, it would have to be ironed out by the devs as to how they felt it would fit best.



I actually thought the "here it is, you're going to die" introduction was actually pretty awesome. I actually prefer that over other MMOs where you are getting hints and tips to do everything, and in the case of WoW (I'm sorry for having to say that) giving you an achievement for managing to walk forwards.

oh, and marcus, I'm taking it more like how you would interact with a computer. sure you can use general skills on all computers like how to browse, how to interact with programs. but once you get used to a certain operating system or in most cases a brand of OSes you can be a lot more efficient by using keyboard shortcuts. knowing how to speed things up, optimize, and get to the files, folders, programs that you need faster.
I know for a fact that given a Linux computer or a Mac I could use them, and I could interact with them at a decent level. but nowhere near as effectively as I can with a windows computer.

yes, but that's the caldari gun. not to mention that they are being "looked at" in the winter. so it sounds like they will (hopefully) be getting a little better at least.

I already responded to this. these ships we are flying are a hell of a lot more complex than a car, they are more like a computer in their intricacies.