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You CANT Nerf HighSec!

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#1801 - 2013-01-02 02:54:36 UTC
Tesal wrote:
The HBC and CFC don't need, nor should they get, more power than they already have.

By supporting the status quo you are supporting the lifestyle of large coalitions like the HBC and CFC. To that, I say thanks.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1802 - 2013-01-02 02:55:32 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:

Making things difficult, expensive and not very fun is the alternative that's been proposed.


So allowing people to continue doing their same activities with the caveat that if they are using NPC given resources they won't be as competitive as players who use their own resources is: difficult, expensive and not very fun? The same also applies to area safety.

You know if that was the case all of nullsec would be unclaimed.

Well, compared to CONCORD, our local, intel channels and blue lists aren't nearly as good. Clearly the NPCs are better.

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Frying Doom
#1803 - 2013-01-02 02:56:42 UTC
Tesal wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:

Its not horrible. Its actually faster and easier to source materials and produce stuff. Less travel time too.


It is horrible though, people are being "forced" into highsec to remain competitive as an industrialist. If its horrible to be "forced" out of highsec it is equally horrible to be "forced" into highsec.


Making things difficult, expensive and not very fun is the alternative that's been proposed.

No making things more effective for people who want to take the risk and cost of building their own structures is what is proposed.

The fact that large alliances will need people to mine and manufacture is more fun, the fact that we will not just be stuffed into NPC stations in hi-sec is more fun.

The fact that NPC stations will be competitively priced and with the POS revamp people will hopefully be able to publicly rent out their facilities is a lot more fun.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1804 - 2013-01-02 02:57:22 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Well, compared to CONCORD, our local, intel channels and blue lists aren't nearly as good. Clearly the NPCs are better.


Clearly we need a CONCORD upgrade that makes all of our systems highsec for just us and concords anyone not blue in them.

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Tesal
#1805 - 2013-01-02 02:59:01 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:

Making things difficult, expensive and not very fun is the alternative that's been proposed.


So allowing people to continue doing their same activities with the caveat that if they are using NPC given resources they won't be as competitive as players who use their own resources is: difficult, expensive and not very fun? The same also applies to area safety.

You know if that was the case all of nullsec would be unclaimed.


The alternative is legions of POS everywhere. Not very fun.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1806 - 2013-01-02 03:01:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Well, compared to CONCORD, our local, intel channels and blue lists aren't nearly as good. Clearly the NPCs are better.

Clearly we need a CONCORD upgrade that makes all of our systems highsec for just us and concords anyone not blue in them.

No, it would be faction police that web before they scam.

CONCORD would however kill gankers, since they activate offensive modules. That said, we wouldn't have to worry about being hotdropped anymore, since if they shoot they die.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1807 - 2013-01-02 03:03:50 UTC
Tesal wrote:

The alternative is legions of POS everywhere. Not very fun.


Why is that not fun, I said it assumes the POS revamp happens? You put up a structure that lets you do things better than other people. Yes you have to defend it and maintain it but the reward is worth it so you keep doing it. It might put an end to the dreaded "corp hopping" because people won't want to lose their POS.

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Tesal
#1808 - 2013-01-02 03:04:11 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Tesal wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:

Its not horrible. Its actually faster and easier to source materials and produce stuff. Less travel time too.


It is horrible though, people are being "forced" into highsec to remain competitive as an industrialist. If its horrible to be "forced" out of highsec it is equally horrible to be "forced" into highsec.


Making things difficult, expensive and not very fun is the alternative that's been proposed.

No making things more effective for people who want to take the risk and cost of building their own structures is what is proposed.

The fact that large alliances will need people to mine and manufacture is more fun, the fact that we will not just be stuffed into NPC stations in hi-sec is more fun.

The fact that NPC stations will be competitively priced and with the POS revamp people will hopefully be able to publicly rent out their facilities is a lot more fun.


Its a big assumption that POS will stop sucking in a revamp.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1809 - 2013-01-02 03:05:38 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:

The alternative is legions of POS everywhere. Not very fun.

Why is that not fun, I said it assumes the POS revamp happens? You put up a structure that lets you do things better than other people. Yes you have to defend it and maintain it but the reward is worth it so you keep doing it. It might put an end to the dreaded "corp hopping" because people won't want to lose their POS.

The NPC stations that are just there and riskless and cheap to use are clearly better for highsec.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1810 - 2013-01-02 03:08:37 UTC
Tesal wrote:
Its a big assumption that POS will stop sucking in a revamp.


It's an equally big assumption to assume that POS will still suck after the revamp.

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Frying Doom
#1811 - 2013-01-02 03:10:45 UTC
Tesal wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:

Making things difficult, expensive and not very fun is the alternative that's been proposed.


So allowing people to continue doing their same activities with the caveat that if they are using NPC given resources they won't be as competitive as players who use their own resources is: difficult, expensive and not very fun? The same also applies to area safety.

You know if that was the case all of nullsec would be unclaimed.


The alternative is legions of POS everywhere. Not very fun.

While the current POS are definitely not great I could guarantee you that the residences in over 2500 systems would disagree with you as to POSs everywhere being fun.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1812 - 2013-01-02 03:10:46 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

The NPC stations that are just there and riskless and cheap to use are clearly better for highsec.


The space democrats and their welfare programmes.

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Tesal
#1813 - 2013-01-02 03:11:09 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:

The alternative is legions of POS everywhere. Not very fun.


Why is that not fun, I said it assumes the POS revamp happens? You put up a structure that lets you do things better than other people. Yes you have to defend it and maintain it but the reward is worth it so you keep doing it. It might put an end to the dreaded "corp hopping" because people won't want to lose their POS.


The CFC and HBC will likely not lose a POS. Everyone else will have to worry.
Frying Doom
#1814 - 2013-01-02 03:12:25 UTC
Tesal wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Tesal wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:

Its not horrible. Its actually faster and easier to source materials and produce stuff. Less travel time too.


It is horrible though, people are being "forced" into highsec to remain competitive as an industrialist. If its horrible to be "forced" out of highsec it is equally horrible to be "forced" into highsec.


Making things difficult, expensive and not very fun is the alternative that's been proposed.

No making things more effective for people who want to take the risk and cost of building their own structures is what is proposed.

The fact that large alliances will need people to mine and manufacture is more fun, the fact that we will not just be stuffed into NPC stations in hi-sec is more fun.

The fact that NPC stations will be competitively priced and with the POS revamp people will hopefully be able to publicly rent out their facilities is a lot more fun.


Its a big assumption that POS will stop sucking in a revamp.

Yes it is, I am assuming that CCP will get it right or at least better than it is, otherwise why do it at all.

CCP may not have a great track record for fixing things but they are getting better.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1815 - 2013-01-02 03:16:22 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Tesal wrote:


The CFC and HBC will likely not lose a POS. Everyone else will have to worry.


So this is another "I hate groups of people so this should not be fixed."

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Frying Doom
#1816 - 2013-01-02 03:17:09 UTC
Tesal wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:

The alternative is legions of POS everywhere. Not very fun.


Why is that not fun, I said it assumes the POS revamp happens? You put up a structure that lets you do things better than other people. Yes you have to defend it and maintain it but the reward is worth it so you keep doing it. It might put an end to the dreaded "corp hopping" because people won't want to lose their POS.


The CFC and HBC will likely not lose a POS. Everyone else will have to worry.

So what do Sheep and badgers have to do with anything?

If you leave it like it is the control most of Null getting massive welfare payments and things just keep getting worse not for them but everyone else.

Compared to EvEs population as a whole they make up what 3% of EvE population.

So you are prepared to screw over 97% of EvE so that the 3% cannot get the ability to have their own industry.

I know where I, part of the 97% would tell you to shove that.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#1817 - 2013-01-02 03:18:19 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:
Why is that not fun, I said it assumes the POS revamp happens? You put up a structure that lets you do things better than other people. Yes you have to defend it and maintain it but the reward is worth it so you keep doing it. It might put an end to the dreaded "corp hopping" because people won't want to lose their POS.


The CFC and HBC will likely not lose a POS. Everyone else will have to worry.


So this is another "I hate groups of people so this should not be fixed." [/quote]
You guys are hardly on my xmas card list but buggered if I want the whole game to rot just to spite you.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1818 - 2013-01-02 03:20:03 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Tesal wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:
The alternative is legions of POS everywhere. Not very fun.

Why is that not fun, I said it assumes the POS revamp happens? You put up a structure that lets you do things better than other people. Yes you have to defend it and maintain it but the reward is worth it so you keep doing it. It might put an end to the dreaded "corp hopping" because people won't want to lose their POS.

The CFC and HBC will likely not lose a POS. Everyone else will have to worry.

So what do Sheep and badgers have to do with anything?

If you leave it like it is the control most of Null getting massive welfare payments and things just keep getting worse not for them but everyone else.

Compared to EvEs population as a whole they make up what 3% of EvE population.

So you are prepared to screw over 97% of EvE so that the 3% cannot get the ability to have their own industry.

I know where I, part of the 97% would tell you to shove that.

Why are we sheep and not clusterfstarstarstarers?

Also, 97%ers uniteeeee

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1819 - 2013-01-02 03:20:27 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

You guys are hardly on my xmas card list but buggered if I want the whole game to rot just to spite you.


This is the closest to a good post you've been in a long time.

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Tesal
#1820 - 2013-01-02 03:21:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tesal
La Nariz wrote:
So this is another "I hate groups of people so this should not be fixed."


No the point is that the CFC and HBC will have secure industry. Other people won't. Its not hate, its a self evident situation. Industry will gravitate towards the safe zones.