EVE General Discussion

It was, but the High Security Guild of Fairness and Pink Unicorns as usual misconstrued everything repeatedly.

You're conflating 2 seperate changes.

People want to 1)nerf hisec, 2)leave hisec alone!, 3)nerf lowsec, 4)leave lowsec alone!, 5), nerf nullsec, 6)leave nullsec alone!

that should cover it. somewhere in the 72 pages may of been nerf jove space but I sincerely doubt that anyone remembers who they are let alone where they are.

1. "Fear of change?".

a) EvE is EvE because of how it is, including hi sec. Hi sec is the land of fast and hard content creators, some of them made the game story even with limited forces. They can do it because of the abundance of targets, the fact they have low (if any) escorts and so on. Hi sec is the land of fast small scale catering to everyone.

You don't just want to legitimately have null sec improvements (which would weigh on hi sec already).
You want to destroy it, this means the end of half of EvE. Because once you remove fundamental things like the ability to make T2 items or make missions worth as much as "AFK mining", the place will be just an empty shell of itself. And for what? Because you want to dominate everywhere.
Because having the most, the best and the largest of everything and everyone is still not enough!

b) EvE should have been changed so hard in 2004 not in 2012. You don't pull NGEs on 10 years old games. If anything you create an EvE 2.0 for this.

c) Many players keep playing EvE *because* they can keep out blobber alliances out of their life. Once you'll have tamed hi sec to your whims (who owns the moons? Who *already* makes T2 materials markets?) EvE will be like a P2W game, in the sense all you need to win is to pay homage to the current null sec warlords.

It's not fear to change. It's totally not wanting you in somebody else's balls.
There's NO WAY a bunch of super casual players, PvEers and small time crafters could ever defend themselves against a 10k strong coordinated army, like it or hate it NPCs are the only defense they got. This is why EvE is EvE and not a full 0.0 game.

2. James315 "lobby" is OK. They don't ask the game to be changed to strictly suit their most immediate interests. Those demanding James315 and co. to be nerfed are WRONG.
Those demanding the game is changed to make their already strongest alliance in game even more prominent *taking away from the others* are WRONG. Not because of ~lobby~ but because of the of the "we are the top but can't ever have enough and we also want to take away from everybody else". Without even bothering a second about the consequences.

3. Your perception of the future is as (not more) worth than anyone else's. When your perception of the future clashes with somebody else's then accept the somebody else might *just* agree at 75% and not 100%. I know, 75% is so low for you, unacceptable!

4. & 5. You had some more posting pages ago. CCP removed some pages with them. You have 3rd party resources all pointing to the same topic, do I really need to link the last blogs?




Sure there are and nobody has anything against null sec industry (and POSes) being brought up.
I have been both living in null sec and WH POSes and had to create stuff in there, I know how sucky and dangerous it is.
Yet, I don't share your (I can't say about the other 9,999) idea that the best thing to do is to ravage hi sec on top of buffing your industry. Not before CCP had *extensive* time to see what happens after the first phase (the null sec buff) reflected and rippled across the whole game and its economy.

How much of that game story did they actually create, and how much was handed to them, like everything else, on a silver platter?

What about nullsec, where EVERYTHING is player-owned and created. We make our own history out there. That's the entire reason for its existence.

I agree, it's not ideal. If such a solution were to be implemented it would have to be part of a much broader revamp of industry, including a POS revamp (and I mean mechanics, not just the graphics revamp everybody clamors for).

There were two insurance changes

- The one I advocated, which was a universal rebalance based on keeping insurance values below retail ship values.

- The suicide ganking specific removal of insurance which I opposed for rvarious reasons that don't need rehearsing here.

The point was that even when I opposed the removal of insurance for ganking, I didn't questions CCPs right or ability to change the game, or attempted to assert that the game shouldn't be changed in principle. I just made my case as to why i thought it was a bad idea. As it was, I and those in agreement lost that case: so be it. I've built a bridge and gotten over it.

The OP in this subthread was trying to assert the ontological fallacy (things should be the way they are because they are the way they are) and I exposed that fallacy by listing a number of fundamental changes that CCP had made in the past, and discredited his attempt to use it again by pointing he that he and those in agreement with him were perfectly fine with CCP making fundamental changes to EVE that happened to benefit them.

Anyone who believes that private enterprise is intrinsically efficient has only ever worked for the government (or not at all). But without wanting to get into RL politics, RL models aren't a reliable model for game design. As I have previously written.

When I remember correctly player owned POS in NullSec had limited abilities to refine ore such as it took time and you only had several queues open for doing so .. make the same in highsec ... problem solved.

I believe the expression you are looking for is "Completely worthless"