EVE General Discussion

1. I'll be kind here, I'll concede you the precedence, and wait for you to stop using them yourself before I do.

2. A Google search revealed it was Tesal in a reply to you. No idea about your criterium to define somebody ~highsec intellectual~ but I see you get hurt when being confronted in a debate. Now, freedom happens and so do different opinions. Freedom is being fixed both in game and RL ASAP but for now you'll have to survive the different opinions for a little while.

3. Where? I went back the history till this post which should be the first and could not find it. While doing that, I noticed how many identical NERF HI SEC, NAO! threads have been spammed and how on mittani.com at the same time we had similar articles. I have to tip my hat to the relentless, ever present and coordinated, almost concentric propaganda steamroller. No one, NO ONE does it harder and better than you guys.

4. Griping in fear at the idea of turning EvE into a real PvP game? You know, one not entirely driven by alliance leaders who don't even need to log in or be subbed to decide the sorts of tens of thousands. I like this strawman then.

5. This is you not willing to accept that I have a rubber dinghy while you have a Titanic. Unlike that other guy who in previous posts kept repeating "we", us" I don't even pretend having a single other player backing me up. If this makes me a lobby, then I am a lobby and also Superman!

6. Which part of "MD is not my "reign" and I have groups of opponents at everything I do" and "influencing non risk averse people in a PvP forum (would be pointless since) is certainly not your best propeller for your "hisec intellectual" definition is not clear?

7. I don't discredit you. You are doing your task in a most effective, stupefying resilient way!
"You think the complaints are over boomerang, yeah you are totally out of touch if you think that is true. The complaints are over the unwarranted barge EHP buffs." => you should better what I post (as also seen at point 6), since I really wrote down the whole process at how CCP nerfs everything. Boomerang and other PvP nerfs including barge EHP buff are all related to statistics. Your alliance for some reason does not play smart with the statistics, they keep pushing the limits till CCP smashes your toys. If you wanted to not have the EHP buff you should just had to refrain *a little*. Also, spamming everywhere about the thousands of ships killed and boasting about the 4 trillions (if I recall correctly) of damage dealt, certainly prompts CCP at checking their stats about what you are doing. Exactly like it happened when people started spamming about how easy, effective, fool proof boomerang methods had been implemented and kept posting on the most read forum about how to do it en masse.

8. I am trying to emulate what your alliance are doing since ever but I just can't beat the masters.

Right. People play EvE as it currently exists for the most part because it is the game they want to play (warts and all).

Change the game too much, especially dramatic changes around core content, and it's no longer the game they expect, and breaking that expectation would cause a large portion of the player base to simply abandon ship.

WiS wasn't even a big change, despite the broughaha around it, and it came perilously close to killing the game because of the expectation that bigger changes would be around the corner that would make it not EvE any more.

1. Soon as you can figure out how to stop I'll stop.

2. It has nothing to do with differing opinions, I can respect those. It has everything to do with people like you not actually making an argument but then going "lol I'm right your wrong no matter how well of a point you make the moment I can't answer I'll redefine something already clear to better suit my already failing argument, attempt to change the subject to something that has nothing to do with what is going on, or completely ignore what you said even if it defeats my argument." I can't stand :foxnews: and you might as well be the Rupert Murdoch of highsec.

5. By your own definitions that makes you a lobby glad you can finally admit that. Also by your own definitions that makes everything you say worthless glad you can finally come to terms with that.

6. Good you admit you have influence and are trying to influence people glad we could get that out of the way.

3 & 4 & 7 & 8: Goonspiracy lol.

This is a good question I think you should answer.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/Bush_mission_accomplished.jpg

Goons are like herpes simplex anyway. They just go back to Syndicate and crop up 3 months later and itch again.

Oh I know heaven forbid we be social in an MMO, we can't have that, no instead we must buff highsec until no blues ever exist again and all solo content is > group content.

Nice putting the name of other posters like they typed text they never had

2. That post basically says "I am afraid of CCP making a mistake, I am very risk-averse."

5 &6.




Now lets dissect this argument of yours that you keep going on about(ignoring the fact that you waffle and try to redefine whenever this gets shot down):

Premise 1: Lobbies are bad, any arguments they make, no matter how cogent, are wrong.
Premise 2: A lobby is determined by the arbitrary number of people in it.
Premise 3: A lobby is determined by attempting to influence people.
Conclusion: Anyone saying something I don't like is a lobby and therefore bad and their arguments are wrong.

So using this because you are 1(arbitrary number) person and you have influence(MD) therefore you are bad and all of your arguments are wrong. Can you see why this is a terrible thing to continue? It blocks all discussion of balancing highsec reward regarding industry for you to attempt "winning" the thread. Maybe, just maybe, the most insignificant maybe, you should drop all of this lobby nonsense. I can only assume you continue to try to point the conversation this way because there really isn't a good argument AGAINST nerfing highsec industry/buffing nullsec industry.

3 & 4 & 7 & 8. Every time you hint at some master plan by our "titanic" alliance its goonspiracy. That end summary there in your last post I responded to was all goonspiracy, less conspiracy more arguments against or for the proposed nerf highsec/buff nullsec industry.

Actually, she answered it better than I did.

Cool.

I think questions of lore are easily resolved, in general it's better to focus on the mechanics and let the lore follow.

I like the idea of having to do "slaving raids" on low sec to pick up workers for your factories, or there's snake oil salesmen telling all the young men to go west to work in a goon refinery in the invincible communist state.

Lore can be twisted and turned a thousand ways, it's no problem.


I think the second thing you say really cuts to the heart of this debate.



I think CCP are going to have to make a call about this and put their money where their mouth is. Either there is a way to be totally protected or there isn't.

Either there is a part of space, some sort of greenzone, where you can choose if someone can attack you or not, or it's a harsh galaxy and you can get shot any time. (And, as Yuri Wayfare of Suddenly Ninjas rightly points out, be careful what you wish for.)

Sure in HighSec there are some pretty severe consequences to shooting someone, but you can do it, any time, anywhere.

I think this is a core principle of the game and one of the main reasons I like EVE. If they choose to take it away it will, IMO, be a sad day for EVE.

This game is great because it is outlandish, violent and vicious. CCP doesn't want everyone in the world to like EVE, the only thing everyone likes is flavourless air and water (though some people don't even like water, according to some Oasis adverts).

Let's not bland out.

I'm aware this is only my opinion but I say anyone who will only play if they can choose when they are attacked can gtfo and play something else. There are loads of games that have that.

There are loads of single player games where you can be the king of everything.

EVE is different. That is why it is great and unique.

IMO we can't lose that, not for a million new subs, you can't sell your soul.

Though this is all my opinion.