EVE General Discussion

As if all the highsec builders will run to nullsec. This strawman is clearly already handicapped from the start line. The only bind is the chains of stupidity holding the strawman down so you can "defeat" it.

Yeah that's pretty much what I'm reading here. The sheer volume of desperate twisting, derailing, word-games and outright denial that's being employed to try and counter the plain fact that

(i) Nullsec industrial facilities are deeply inferior to hi-sec

(ii) The costs, risks and overhead of using nullsec industrial facilities are hugely greater than in hi-sec

and that a rebalance is therefore both obvious and necessary is incredible.

The amusing part is that the self-identified "hi-sec" people doing their level best to keep nullsec industrialists under the heel of their freely provided, invulnerable, superior, security-subsidied infrastructural superiority are the ones who regularly whine about "elite PvPers" hating the hi-sec carebears who are necessary to keep the economy running.

EVE Online, cold, harsh, policed by NPCs and imbalanced as all hell.

Can YOU survive with just CONCORD protecting you from ~the evil~? (If not, you may be eligible for a buff)

Much talk vs me about "red herrings", "fallacies" etc and in one line there are these effects:

a) personal attact by proxy.
b) attributing me an "hi sec" label to put me in the ideologically determined "enemy group".
c) putting some "intellectual" near to "hi sec" to make it stand out the incredibility of what I say.

The first (a), well I won't comment.

b) I have posted a number of screenshots in the last years showing me everywhere. Despite I am a trader (that is, there's no hi sec for me in the markets) and stated I go where business is (and it's not always in hi sec), I am flagged as "hi sec" because in this game saying anything "just" 75% conforming to the current game bossy bosses ideas is BAD and must be flagged as such.

c) Thinking different has never made somebody an intellectual, just someone disagreeing with a thesis. You somehow can't stand this and so you need to put it into "you vs us" simpleton categories.

Let me make it clear: if I ever had decisional power on CCP's balance, only low sec would smile. WHs imo are perfect so I would not touch them beyond the indirect POS (including industry) buff. But hi sec and null sec would be completely devastated and turned upside down to remove ANY form of safety and welfare and make EvE a dynamic PvP game where your ass is 24/7 under huge risk. Null sec would become a 2009 WH online style PvP lake.
You'd have to lose AT LEAST AS MUCH if not more than hi sec and mammoths like your alliance would be impossible to have. Alliances that would be a strategy evolution of PL or with heavy hit and runs would lay waste too much for your bloc to survive a long time. And then it'd be worth for me returning to spaceships PvP, because despite with age I lost a lot of twitch PvP skills, with a group of 10-20 I could farm dumb zergers every day like I have done in my past and future years in other MMOs and then get proper small scale fights with those actually providing ~quality PvP content~.




1. I heard from you that a loner in a one man corp thinking different = lobby. I am humbled. May I ***ROAR*** now and make you over 9000 strong p!ss your pants as well?





2. The people in MD are independent, MD is not my "reign" and I have groups of opponents at everything I do expecially markets related. Also, influencing non risk averse people in a PvP forum (MD is a strictly completely unsafe PvP forum) is certainly not your best propeller for your "hisec intellectual" definition.




Ideology still clouds your mind. That's OK. Let me restate the obvious: differently than Blizzard, CCP keeps TONS of stats. The barges buff unfortunately (it hit my business hard) happened because:

- in 4 months ice prices went from 400 pu to 1600+,

- because NEVER before a major organized alliance organized an industrial scorched earth campaign. Gankers have always been hobbysts, casual PvPers, small merc corps and had a very limited operation extension and duration.
In your case you had quasi endless man power, limit-less extension and declared it "permanent".

- because no individual nor corp, not even Helicity Boson could promise a permanent payment for forever keep suiciding ships even with removed insurance payout. Yet your endless ISK could allow that.

- of course - as ALWAYS - you (r alliance) could not brake yourself a bit, your endless and ever growing push would never end until a cop with a bigger gun than yours comes shot you in the forehead.

It was not 10 bad tanked idiots whining on GD to make CCP buff barges but - like for boomerang - it was YOUR irresponsible (can't stop myself!) and not smart (let's do it below the CCP nerf hammer decision thresold!) behavior to cause it.
Result? You still wailing about the nerf, my business damaged by the nerf, ALL hi sec casual gankers fun destroyed.




No sermon, don't try the "drama card" as you keep doing. it's your bosses. End of.

We're what. Really? I hope you're just trolling IRC because I thought

Oh whatever. I guess I'll get ready for the structure shoot ops.

If highsec carebears, werent so dumb they'd actually. see that, their is space, around null areas owned by different factions where they do have stations, i spent prolly 3 months in one of the Guristas space controlled areas, on one of my toons and made quite a bit. only downfall dont use bling as theirs always some blood thirsty pilot out there that wants to ruin your day,

but then you ruin theres

I used to love missions, i still have 800k lp with caldari navy, and about 400k for minnietar faction, gallante hate me to much so cant go there. butt hurt bastards they are.

It's simple rewards optimization, really.

Edit: after server is up again, if you want I can post a screen shot of one of my trader alts transferring me 1.5B earlier this morning, reason: "sales".
Sales made completely AFK, not playing but 5 mins a day in the last weeks.

To do the same with my 61M SP missioning character in all out gank no tank faction fitted battleship I'd have taken 2 weeks of quite intensive missioning.

I suggest you also look at Samroski and his wonderful followup to my article and the "stimula" I am tipping at him so he continues the practical implementation.

Markets are a marvellous playground, where you can make great friends, great enemies and pew pew with no stupid mechanic in between!

Anyway back to our regular programming

If moving Lvl 5s didn't show it, Hi-sec players will not move they will just find something else to do or leave the game.

Nerfing them for no reason is not the answer

Nerfing NPC facilities is.

And this argument comes up all the time too, and it's not true for a great many already listed reasons.
A nerfed High Sec where Null Sec stations are better just hands more and more control to the giant null blob alliances, which is not good for the game.

However.....

At no point have I ever said High Sec should have the best stations and Null Sec should have dirt.
What I've said is that Null Sec stations (In Sov Space) should be able to equal High Sec stations. And yes, I do mean in manufacturing slots as well. If this means null gets a massive buff and High sec gets a 20% drop to balance it out, then so be it. As long as High Sec still has plenty of slots to meet demand even if they are spread out to a larget extent. And Null has plenty of slots potentially to meet their demand. If this means there is a massive revamp that puts manufacturing in PoS'es and makes it possible to build PoSes in High Sec without needing crazy 1 man corps in order to have Corp standing high enough with a FACTION, then so be it. Provided both have decent capabilities, that are about equal in cost, with plenty of slots it doesn't really matter exactly what solution CCP hits on.
At that point, where you do your industry is dictated by where you can sell your products, and where you want to live. So all those 'Null Sec Alts' we hear about all the time, will do their Industry out in Null, since it is equally as efficient, and their market is right there, removing any risk of moving large amounts of product from High sec markets to Null.
Since a JF full of ships is far more likely to be suicide ganked in high sec than one full of Minerals it can't be any riskier moving materials around null than moving ships from a High Sec market to a Null location after all. And we don't exactly hear of JF's being ganked full of ships & fittings very often, freighters moving on autopilot through high sec from A to B sure, but not the JF's supplying the Null alliances.