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You CANT Nerf HighSec!

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Frying Doom
#921 - 2012-12-24 00:12:10 UTC
SaKoil wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Also, ATM I am in hi sec and creating content. You just don't head to the Market Discussion forum to read about it, because you don't consider market PvP "content".


Neither will the potential new subscribers. Your stories are not very exciting.

Stories about Null are as common as stories about the CSM in the main stream media, not really something to get over joyed about.

The best one to make it out lately was a huge battle in Wormhole Space.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#922 - 2012-12-24 00:13:29 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
There are plenty of hi sec content creators, you just don't want to see them.
Even the dumbest ice mining system lives its daily struggle and drama, if you want I can tell some tales about it.

Also, ATM I am in hi sec and creating content. You just don't head to the Market Discussion forum to read about it, because you don't consider market PvP "content".


Name some of these prominent content creators that create content for more than just themselves. As of right now I can only name James315. Make sure you distinguish between forum superstars and actual content creators.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#923 - 2012-12-24 00:15:19 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
SaKoil wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Also, ATM I am in hi sec and creating content. You just don't head to the Market Discussion forum to read about it, because you don't consider market PvP "content".


Neither will the potential new subscribers. Your stories are not very exciting.

Stories about Null are as common as stories about the CSM in the main stream media, not really something to get over joyed about.

The best one to make it out lately was a huge battle in Wormhole Space.


The smell of durians enters the thread.

Those null stories you complain are common are the ones that make the actual news and get the game exposed to millions of people.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#924 - 2012-12-24 00:17:01 UTC
Apparently requesting CCP to provide actual data from their databases is a bannable offense, but I will post my request here:

CCP, the forums have been on fire with the latest campaign to hammer high sec industry.
One of the main themes seems to be that high sec NPC station mfg slots dominate the manufacturing being done in the game, making null sec industry so unprofitable that few do it.

You can end a ton of the hyperbole, that goes both ways, by simply having do what CCP Diagoras did before he quit.

Run a few SQL commands.
Get the following information:

How many high sec NPC station mfg slots exist in the game.
How many high sec NPC station research slots exist in the game.
How many high sec mfg slots at ACTIVE POS's exist in the game.
How many high sec research slots at ACTIVE POS's exist in the game.
How many POS's, active or dead, exist in high sec.
How many POS's, active or dead, exist in low sec.
How many POS's, active or dead, exist in null sec.

If you want to add to the mix, publish how many wh POS's exist, and how many non-T3 based industry slots they have, though I doubt it is a significant number. (I lived in wh's for a long, long time, and I know how much of a pain T2 mfg is in wh's.)

Is this a difficult request, given the amount of obscure info that Diagoras was able to provide so quickly?
I doubt it.

One last request would be nice also: How many supercaps exist in the game today.
Diogaras' post of May 29th gave us a perfect snapshot. I would like to see an updated number.
Bump Truck
Doomheim
#925 - 2012-12-24 00:58:28 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
There are plenty of hi sec content creators, you just don't want to see them.
Even the dumbest ice mining system lives its daily struggle and drama, if you want I can tell some tales about it.

Also, ATM I am in hi sec and creating content. You just don't head to the Market Discussion forum to read about it, because you don't consider market PvP "content".


Name some of these prominent content creators that create content for more than just themselves. As of right now I can only name James315. Make sure you distinguish between forum superstars and actual content creators.


Seconded.
Tesal
#926 - 2012-12-24 01:08:45 UTC
Bump Truck wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
There are plenty of hi sec content creators, you just don't want to see them.
Even the dumbest ice mining system lives its daily struggle and drama, if you want I can tell some tales about it.

Also, ATM I am in hi sec and creating content. You just don't head to the Market Discussion forum to read about it, because you don't consider market PvP "content".


Name some of these prominent content creators that create content for more than just themselves. As of right now I can only name James315. Make sure you distinguish between forum superstars and actual content creators.


Seconded.


I make content every time I update my market orders.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#927 - 2012-12-24 01:13:23 UTC
Tesal wrote:

I make content every time I update my market orders.


You make content for yourself, that's not what was asked for.

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Frying Doom
#928 - 2012-12-24 01:13:39 UTC
Tesal wrote:
Bump Truck wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
There are plenty of hi sec content creators, you just don't want to see them.
Even the dumbest ice mining system lives its daily struggle and drama, if you want I can tell some tales about it.

Also, ATM I am in hi sec and creating content. You just don't head to the Market Discussion forum to read about it, because you don't consider market PvP "content".


Name some of these prominent content creators that create content for more than just themselves. As of right now I can only name James315. Make sure you distinguish between forum superstars and actual content creators.


Seconded.


I make content every time I update my market orders.

As does everyone who mines, runs missions, ganks people who are mining and mission running, people who war dec others.

Actually the goings on it the middle of no where creates a lot of content but for a small number of players, while the majority of players make massive amounts of content in Hi-sec and lo-sec.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Tesal
#929 - 2012-12-24 01:14:45 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:

I make content every time I update my market orders.


You make content for yourself, that's not what was asked for.


Its group content that other players respond to. Our collective effort forms the economy.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#930 - 2012-12-24 01:24:06 UTC
SaKoil wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Also, ATM I am in hi sec and creating content. You just don't head to the Market Discussion forum to read about it, because you don't consider market PvP "content".


Neither will the potential new subscribers. Your stories are not very exciting.


I have been interviewed by CCP, my charity featured at Fanfest 2011 and asked to be interviewed on EvE Radio.


And you?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#931 - 2012-12-24 01:25:09 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
There are plenty of hi sec content creators, you just don't want to see them.
Even the dumbest ice mining system lives its daily struggle and drama, if you want I can tell some tales about it.

Also, ATM I am in hi sec and creating content. You just don't head to the Market Discussion forum to read about it, because you don't consider market PvP "content".


Name some of these prominent content creators that create content for more than just themselves. As of right now I can only name James315. Make sure you distinguish between forum superstars and actual content creators.


You should read MD some times, there's lots of stuff I do for everybody, and I am not just talking about my free ware apps.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#932 - 2012-12-24 01:29:08 UTC
Tesal wrote:
Its group content that other players respond to. Our collective effort forms the economy.


If you are talking about collaborations to manipulate the markets via some schemes I agree but, if you are talking about the everyday commerce I disagree. Everyday commerce is an expected feature of the game no different from being able to undock or stare at the door.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#933 - 2012-12-24 01:38:01 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
You should read MD some times, there's lots of stuff I do for everybody, and I am not just talking about my free ware apps.


There are some content creators there but none of them hold a candle to the ones in nullsec. Those IPOs and business ventures most certainly are content but you can't say they are greater content creators than the random clash which launches half of nullsec into a fight over one region like the most recent delve war.

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Tesal
#934 - 2012-12-24 01:51:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tesal
La Nariz wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
You should read MD some times, there's lots of stuff I do for everybody, and I am not just talking about my free ware apps.


There are some content creators there but none of them hold a candle to the ones in nullsec. Those IPOs and business ventures most certainly are content but you can't say they are greater content creators than the random clash which launches half of nullsec into a fight over one region like the most recent delve war.


The conquest of Delve was group content, with each individual playing a part to accomplish a big overall objective. People also play a role in keeping the overall economy going, with individuals coming together to enable a big overall objective. Just because the conquest of Delve made headlines doesn't mean lower profile group activities are any less valid. Thats the essence of the sandbox, with individuals each playing their respective role in making content for the game. It may not be content that interests you, but it is content.

*edit* I would argue that the economy affects more players than the conquest of a single region.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#935 - 2012-12-24 01:56:02 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:

I make content every time I update my market orders.


You make content for yourself, that's not what was asked for.


A trader is PvPing every day, and there's no hi sec for traders.
Please expand about how they do content for themselves when there HAS to be at least one counter part.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#936 - 2012-12-24 01:58:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
La Nariz wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
You should read MD some times, there's lots of stuff I do for everybody, and I am not just talking about my free ware apps.


There are some content creators there but none of them hold a candle to the ones in nullsec. Those IPOs and business ventures most certainly are content but you can't say they are greater content creators than the random clash which launches half of nullsec into a fight over one region like the most recent delve war.


EvE is also and undeniably known and made the news for the epic scams, for things like EBANK and so on.

Also, about holding candles, how comes in 2007-08-09-10 there were *constant rolling news* about the many null sec protagonists (including in the EvE log in screen news) head butting each other and now all we get is some bland "Somer blink" review and the usual "Buy 6 PLEX offer"?

Did those old "null sec content creators" do a vastly better job of creating quality and newsworthy content than you, while complaining a lot less?
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#937 - 2012-12-24 02:18:36 UTC
Tesal wrote:
*edit* I would argue that the economy affects more players than the conquest of a single region.


This is chicken-egg without the destruction caused by the content creators there would be no economy.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#938 - 2012-12-24 02:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:
*edit* I would argue that the economy affects more players than the conquest of a single region.


This is chicken-egg without the destruction caused by the content creators there would be no economy.


Economy: there are makers and takers or creation and re-distribution.

Creation without re-distribution would be kinda sterile, exactly like if there was re-distribution without creation (like some European rotten economies Cry).
Tesal
#939 - 2012-12-24 02:30:55 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:
*edit* I would argue that the economy affects more players than the conquest of a single region.


This is chicken-egg without the destruction caused by the content creators there would be no economy.


Its not chicken and egg, its cause/effect.

Plex speculation in Jita has a bigger impact on the average player than the conquest of Delve.

I think what your grasping at is that somehow nullsec "content creators" such as your own alliance are more vital towards the continuation of the game than players in other parts of the sandbox. That isn't true.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#940 - 2012-12-24 02:36:33 UTC
Tesal wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Tesal wrote:
*edit* I would argue that the economy affects more players than the conquest of a single region.


This is chicken-egg without the destruction caused by the content creators there would be no economy.


Its not chicken and egg, its cause/effect.

Plex speculation in Jita has a bigger impact on the average player than the conquest of Delve.

I think what your grasping at is that somehow nullsec "content creators" such as your own alliance are more vital towards the continuation of the game than players in other parts of the sandbox. That isn't true.


It is true, I don't see "Player X trades a lot" as a headline in any of the actual news outlets.

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