EVE General Discussion

It is a Catch-22.

Nerf high sec too much, carebears drop like flies. Since carebears are a significant portion of the player base, CCP has no desire to see them drop like flies.

Buff null too much, and the player created safety of null leads to massive ISK inflation, another thing that CCP wants to avoid.


What I think needs to be done is leave high sec alone so that me, and the hundreds of thousands of other carebears like me, that have no desire to leave high sec, can continue to play the game the way we enjoy playing it, without having to work hard or be "friends" with a bunch of immature, giant douche bags.

You say this as if CCP hasn't tried that before. The buffed anoms in 0.0 to pay more ISK. And the result was that with the player created safety of 0.0, those bounties from 0.0 EXPLODED and resulted in massive ISK inflation.

8 million ISK bounty from one rat? A trillion ISK in every wallet....

there has been no meaningful inflation driven by an excess of isk, this is a common misconception that is utterly unconnected to reality

Can you provide proof that people will drop the game, or is that just uninformed opinion?

As far as i can recall, the only true mass unsubs came from the T20 scandal and monocle gate, so what facts (other than the anecdotal evidence of your "friends" leaving, which isn't evidence at all) are you relying on to form your opinion?

(Rhetorical question, we all know most of you high sec types aren't evidence based thinkers)

Do not confuse ISK inflation with price inflation.

I agree that they are not directly related.

ISK inflation is the sum of all wallets of active accounts.

Price inflation is triggered by the amount of ISK that is actively being used to chase goods in the market place.


In the real world, the USA money supply has increased 10x in the last 30 years, while prices have increased only 2x. The reason that the money supply was able to grow 10x with only 2x price increase is because the vast majority of the dollars are sitting in the bank accounts of the ubber rich that have way too much money to possibly spend it all on produced goods and services. Money sitting in a bank account, not being spent to buy goods and services, does not cause price inflation.


But, it is not only price inflation that CCP seeks to avoid. They have specifically targeted ISK inflation (bank account balance increases) as an direct issue. In short, they don't want everyone to have 1 trillion ISK in their wallets, even if that massive ISK balance doesn't lead to price inflation.



(Money increase in the real world is limited by offsetting debt carrying capacity. For every dollar created, an offsetting dollar of debt is created. Since there is not infinite debt carrying capacity, there is not infinite money creation possibility... the real source of the financial crisis of 2007 and beyond. We have embraced a trade-imbalance based economic model where the rich grow ever richer via ever increasing money supply, and that run up against the private sector's debt carrying limitations. In the USA, the federal government has stepped up with $1.5T a year deficits to create the new money that our trade imbalance based economy needs to function, but that is, at best, a short-term delaying tactic that will lead to even larger troubles when we hit even the federal government's debt carrying abilities.

EVE's money is not offset by debt, so there is no max limit to ISK inflation. In the real world, not everyone can be a trillionare because incomes do not support carrying quadrillions in debt needed for the money supply to grow that large. No such limitation exists on the EVE money supply.

Perhaps an economic model not based on an ever increasing money supply would be better for both EVE and the real world.

Hello progressive wallet tax.)

I left null, not because it was dangerous, but rather because the people I had to associate with to live there safely were a bunch of immature, giant douche bags that disgusted me.

Perhaps you should actually read and respond to what I write vs. fail attempts to strawman.

not at all: goons live in their space and are idiots so we are prime hunting ground for gankers

ain't our fault sovwise we are just that fuckin good

all 0.0 players are douchebags and i am a reasonable normal grownup as you can tell from the hilarious GoonDoucheFleet nickname i came up with

One dimensional thinking about economics.

If I have a hanger full of stuff that I have no intention of ever selling, then there does not need to be sufficient ISK in other player's wallets to buy all that stuff.

it is only the portion of the stuff that I want to sell, that there needs to be sufficient demand (players that want it, and they have enough ISK to buy it) to maintain price stability.


It is not the total amount of ISK, nor the total amount of goods, that determines price stability. It is the amount of ISK chasing goods, and the amount of goods chasing ISK that determines price stability.

yeah don't ever try to lecture me on economics you will lose

your argument here relies on a completely unsupported assumption: hording goods is more likely than hording isk. there's no reason to accept that

plus this is an inexact science so pointing to "well here in one case it will not be accurate" is useless unless you've got a better metric (which you do not)

plus things that you have that you are not willing to sell right now, you may be willing to sell in the future, and it would be immensely dumb to just assume that stockpiled goods will never hit the market