EVE General Discussion

How would moving T2 production out of npc stations affect the rest of the economy? It's all well and good to make a suggestion that sounds fair, but I can just feel the null corps salivating over the prospect of owning both the materials and ability to produce all t2 items/ships in the game. Oh yes high sec, please give us all T2 production! I'm sure that sounds awesome. But until I see some numbers on this I'm not signing off on moving all T2 production out of high sec forever. Virtually no one buys or uses t1 merchandise once they've been in the game a few months. High sec industry will be relegated to cap booster and shuttle production.

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Outdated or not, just words or not, they've been saying they intend to do a complete S&I overhaul for quite a while now.

It hasn't happend because it's just words, they just haven't reached that stage of the entire rebalancing of EVE. Did you think they were just rebalancing ships? They clearly have not.

There WILL BE a year when the expansions revolve around sciance and industry, as well as a the PoS revamps.

When pretty much everyone agrees that something needs to be done, you insist that CCP won't deliver on the balance improvements when it comes to S&I.


Edit: And really? You're not an industry guy?
While I do nothing but that, managing more than 200 market orders, 90% of which I build myself. YOU who don't actually do industry, knows better how well the game is balanced.

I'm sure you do.

I don't insist about CCP not delivering, I just don't get my head all bandaged months or years in advance.
You should too, EvE is a game for those who can go on long term without knotting their guts at every announce.




Well considering I have recently mined, invented and then delivered a Vargur, a JF, 2 freighters, 20 blockade runners, a dozen Macks, 20 cheetahs, 30 med shield extenders and have 100B or so in BPOs, plus I have multiple Orca boosted mining fleets I might consider myself an industry guy... but I prefer trading so I consider myself a trader.

To change the T1 and refining abilities enough to have the effect you seem to desire would have a major impact on a much greater percentage of the playing population, pushing many budding industrialists out entirely. I would make line costs more dependent on NPC corp standing than they are, though, so you can't just create manufacturing alts in a couple weeks and have the best of T1 production that way.

By the time someone has figured out how to handle T2 production at all they should be ready to let go of the NPC corp security blanket. It extends a requirement that is already in place. It could actually be considered a "bug fix", if approached from the proper perspective ;)

- Non industrial guy = I am not specialized into it (like an one trick pony) and my income does not rely on it. Does not mean I don't do it or don't know it or don't earn ISK out of it. Does not even mean I don't care about it.

- I am not going to lose sleep in the night over it: true for the whole EvE (for me), true because what they say is not necessarily what they do, true because my care for a game is so minor vs my other RL things.

I don't think general null industry, T1 or T2 production, should be inherently more "profitable". I just don't want the most "efficient" producers to be the gusy in an NPC corp using NPC stations.

I don't want them to "make less" I want them to have a reason to actually take part in the wider game; that is utilizing more player controlled content. As well as consider going to other areas because it's not significantly less worthwhile.


Getting into T2 production, for anyone that isn't trying to crosstrain into other areas of the game -like flying ships to shoot things-, doesn't take long at all. The invention process is what takes some work, but there's a large enough T2 BPC market that if you want to build T2 stuff you can in a rather short period of time.

And anyone doing industry should be expecting to do T2 production.

I don't thinkt hat reduced refine rates in NPC stations would have a bigger impact on the economy or on player in genral, that moving T2 production to low or null would.

I also do not think that it will help to improve the value mining in null. Most people are simply not going to go mine ores in null that pay about the same as an ore in high sec.

However, I would personally prefer leave yeilds alone and increase the amount of high end minerals used in production, T1 and up, as well as lower the low end needs in T2 production. Again though, I would expect more high sec guys to be against that than not getting perfect refines in an NPC station in high sec.

I can always be wrong.

I just don't know many people that do capital and T2 battleship production and invention that don't consider themselves industrialists.

You'll have to excuse me for being confused when in one post you said you aren't an industry guy and then in another post said that you just recently built and invented capital and T2 battleships that are primarilly used in null sec.

Say the same thing over and over until people believe it.

6.7 NPC corp standing isn't that hard to get you know.

Well, in RL I have installed electric house implants for years, programmed and still program for 20+ years, yet I am a trader.




First of all, the game's actually made in a somewhat smart way. They put a lot of mediocre refining stations everywhere but also (too many imo) better refine stations, expecially in key systems where they planned for people to go refine.
Example: Tuurianas is a "Minmatar pocket" system inside deep Caldari space, there are 2 stations owned by Minmatar NPC corps so the Minmatar guys doing missions to i.e. raise their Caldari standing to above terrible can go there and do both refining and manufacturing.

In order to get good refining, however, you also have to have standings, they come by doing lots and lots of L4 missions and / or COSMOS. This also involves a somewhat counter-productive process, that is you will get terrible standings with null sec NPCs and this can greatly reduce the convenience / will to go in null sec.

One of the big issues I had back in my 0.0 days was exactly this: I was -9 standings vs the very agent I wanted to use. I had an alt I used to grind standings with them, but many other people who don't have a legion of alts were impaired. Imo it would be a great boon if people could go in 0.0 and not have such demotivators, there's enough difficulties as is.

Another factor to take into account is that low sec too has lots of stations and they would be partly nerfed in case of hi sec refining nerf too, else guys with good pockets can just JF stuff in, refine, get out. Now, low sec needs a lot but not further nerfs.