EVE General Discussion

I hope not! As owner of Covetor / Retriever / Tornado / Thrasher / Catalyst / Tempest / Rupture / 'Cane (and about some other hundreds BPOs, all researched to 150 to 200 ME) plus inventor of mining mods and turrets I would HATE for pew pew to drop.

It already impacted my production enough to have the barges EHP buffed, I hope they'll actually nerf them later. Or (wishful thinking!) make mining less of a sh!t mechanic, something even worth playing it at the keyboard.

Yeah same here. I both bought massive amounts of isotopes starting Dec 2011 at very very rock bottom prices and resold at 1600 (few even at 1800!) in May 2012.

At the same time I slapped together 3 Orca + mining fleets, because I have used all my ISK to buy the ices so that was the only other way to reap the gold mine in the making.

No ship loss, 2-3B a *week* at May, it was just insane

No, Concord does not protect. Concord merely poses the certainty of a loss for engaging in unsanctioned combat in high sec (I still like to call it surprise pvp, because it's not **** if You yell "surpise!" while doing it), while doing the same in low or null sec reduces the certainty to a mere probability or even possibility.

If You gank a freighter in high sec You have to be sure it's worth it, before You do it. This in itself poses a not insignifficant effort and requires a gang large enough to kill before concord arrives. Wether that said return in value is the mere fun of doing it or the more measurable return in ISK is irrelevant, the only thing that makes high sec safe is the effort required by players to make it unsafe again.

That said, don't complain about a too safe high sec when You're unwillig to do something about it and change it.

Changing that is possible in several ways:

- get some peeps and just do it.

- try and dump Tier 3 BC prices, those ships are mostly needed to gank the big targets, if the players benign to Your cause can acquire those ships for a reasonably low price the logical conclusion should be that more players can afford to use offensive high slot modules on other players in high sec.

- also the new bounty system provides us with many wonderfull possibilities to lessen the blow to the gankers wallet when trying to gank the people that supply us with ships on their way to jita.

EDIT: I'm sure I missed some additional ways of making highsec pvp viable in a way that does not require dev intervention, but I am sure You can figure them out all by Yourself.

EDIT 2: Come to think of it, possibility #2 is quite hilarious. Acquiring the help of a major league industrialist to make high sec ganking of industrialists a viable option of engaging in pvp.

Yes, it does. Does the police protect you against getting shot by someone? No? Funny, last I heard, people were clamoring for more police "because they protected".


According to some people, even bumping a barge is "griefing" and "CCP must protect us from it". CCP has been listening more to those people than anyone else the past few expansions, which means that any time we "do something about it" and "change it", those people ***** even harder and CCP kowtow to them and make the game even shittier.

Great plan.


Good luck with that, since they're based around the cost of minerals. I'm not going to mine minerals.

A) People are idiots, that's not my problem.
B) The real police in the real world actually CAN protect You IF they're on the right spot at the right time. strangely enough, magical space ship police in fluffy lala space land cannot do that because they only spawn AFTER anything has happened.

Again CONORD does NOT Protect because it CAN'T protect. with the current game mechanics it simply is not possible.



Really? Maybe it's just me, but I haven't seen a single "HALP! CCP must ban all hulkageddon participants NAO!" thread since the barge buff.



Ofcourse You're not, nobody would expect that from You. You'd need a whole alliance to do that.

Nerf bumpers.

They should have a medal and a small amount of isk as a reward for a job well done, miners just need to stfu and realize that crying and running home to mommy is not going to help when to big boys are picking on you.

That made me smile :)

I'm in favor of colission damage tho, Jita suddenly would be a lot less crowded. :P

Yeah but bumping is pointless, they should gank so that I can sell them new ships and sell the miners new macks!

It's quite clear that this thread has degenerated into alliance vs alliance trolling, and people taking chunks out of eachother.

It's also clear that this topic can't be discussed by people in a civil and constructive manner.

After looking over this thread, it's staying locked.