EVE General Discussion

Yeah gee, part of 'sovereign space' involves the concept of sovereignty. Shocker, I know. There are better ideas in this thread to achieve rewards for holding 0.0 space, ones that retain the concept of actually holding 0.0 space. Put down a 20b isk station and can't even set who can or cannot dock in it, lmao.

You still haven't explained how removing the need to defend station access to ships and assets is an 'added risk' for nullsec residents exactly. If I can undock and enjoy max upgrades and dock back up again, what do I care who owns the title to the station?

Not logged in? Pffft. You need to see bigger man. I will use the ship right now even if you are logged in and there is nothing you can do about it. And don't expect it to be back "on time".

And there are no consequences for losing that fight beyond the ship losses.

I don't know what game you're playing, but it's not sov war in EVE.

"Plan" (taken from my post) <> implement / debug ("fix" in your reply). It's also why I am against going all berserk out with nerfs buffs and drastic changes. They PLAN their game but when it's time to implement then stuff happens.

Second, the miners who created some cry threads were less than the forum alts creating provocative replies (because their forum-fu is strong and they know some forum illiterate miner WILL definitely fall into the tease).

Let's stick to what's tangible and not your imagination:

1) There were 1T damage dealt, thousands ships popped. Edit: that is a big switch from "artisan ganking by individuals" to "scorched earth as permanent profession, aided by coordinated null sec alliance pilots and infinite funding".
2) Ice prices went from 400 to 1600 in few months.
3) CCP's official word about that has been that they don't support ganking (empty ships) for profit. Now go do your work and find the exact reference, I won't bother.

Guess what was the obvious conclusion? Barges buff.
Exactly like when insurance fraud became utterly prevalent (guy in MD announcing he made a silly number of billions creating thousands of battleships to auto-destroy).
Exactly like when some morons kept spamming GD with guides about how to do the perfect boomerang, fittings etc. It became prevalent too much and got nerfed.


You can keep repeating yourself your ideological "the world has it with us", it won't become true.

Your alliance greed (at never knowing when it's time to stop pushing) made your own disgraces.

For once, have the BALLS to take responsibility for your actions.


But no, you won't.

It's not your downfall. Don't do like the other guy who just can't exit his little ideological world.

It's not your downfall, it's consequences for actions. Hardly a downfall - actually some glorious carnage - but still, it's consequences for your actions.

You're right, I don't play sov warfare in EvE. Last couple of groups I tried it with were full of people I turned out to dislike on a personal level, which I know isn't true for all nullsec corps, but it takes a bit of time to recharge after an experience like that.

As far as the consequences of winning or losing lowsec fights, you might take a look at recent developments in faction warfare.

CCP has implemented a station denial mechanism there that echoes normal sov nullsec rules. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, as there are already hints that it has created an "endgame" for FW. This may or may not happen, but you can bet that CCP is paying close attention to how it develops and it will likely influence the next iteration of sovereignty rules.

Decrease yield for tanking modules? Spend twos of millions of isk on empty midslots?
Pay a 10 mil/month fee to mine in 0.0 where suicide ganking was not a threat?

The greatest excesses of Hulkageddon V was not sufficient enough threat to get the 'victims' to consider any of those.
Now they complain about something called "miner bumping". So there was no real problem, merely CCP listening to forum requests. Which you claim they don't do, yes?

How sov is taken and lost, sure. How people are locked out or not, no.

During the height of hulkageddon V and people like Vaerah were going 'blarrhuauarrggh, highsec is now more dangerous then nullsec, those nullbears are raping us without risk and killing eve everyone will unsub' I was pointing to some experimental Cascade Imminent 'mining pass' program which was just a flat monthly 10m isk/member fee (Experimental in that most landlords charge on a per corp basis that is funded through bounty taxes/pve ops in my experience). Really it was just a plan to fill buy orders frof lowends because Cascade logistics were ass.

Cuz you know, if mining and industry in highsec was so tough, as they claimed, then maybe a nominal 10m fee for access to the lucrative nullsec industry would be right up their alley. As a business venture, it was sadly a failure - but it exposed the bankruptcy of the 'suffering highsec miners' argument during Hulkageddon Infinity quite well.

You say that like you know, I suspect wishful thinking.

They test sov mechanics in FW, station denial is a sov mechanic.