EVE General Discussion

You've ignored that there are plenty of ways to buff nullsec income to simply make it almost as good as hisec industry.

Players need to be in control of the economy: one starting point is to make POS refineries and NPC station refineries all work the same way: that is that refineries all act as assembly lines which simply pull things apart. You queue up a job which takes a certain amount of time per unit volume based on whether what you're doing is refining or reprocessing, you pay the assembly line rental fee and job starting fee, and then you wait for the job to finish (with the usual discounts due to NPC standings, and standings-based pricing at player-owned facilities).

Various sizes of refineries should be able to handle single lines of 10k m3 per hour (in a small personal refinery, for example as used by a ninja miner with a small POS in a Venture), all the way up to dozens of lines capable of handling hundreds of thousands of cubic metres per hour suitable for use in outposts and NPC stations.

That one single change to industry will be enough to revolutionise nullsec industry, and is almost worth its own expansion. Players in hisec would be waiting in line to reprocess materials looted from mission space, encouraging that one step of industry to spread out through the cluster to find free time in refineries, and boost the demand for POSes all over New Eden.

Step two is, of course, removing mineral compression.

I don't consider this to be a major problem. It's not going to be 'an huge shaft'. People can still sell the minerals to people who do have the skills or ask a corpmate with the appropriate skills to do it. New players should be incouraged to interact with other players.

... and this is because of players.

So again: what do we want from CCP?

Bit hard for small groups of high-sec dwellers to challenge null-sec dwellers if the latter tends to be part of a huge group with the biggest weapons available.
Oh yeah, and there are absolutely no weak spots to attack since EVE supports absolutely no way for small groups to effectively take advantage of tactics that would benefit said small groups. EVE has all the premises for guerilla style warfare. Except, it is DENIED!

Once again, instant information.

Whilst EVE is mainly PvP based as you say, it has several weak spots which effectively hinders players from getting into PvP situations in the first place.

The fact that a few frigates can take out a battleship in EVE is awesome because new players/non combat players can still fly'em. The problem is that this is not applied on a grander scale but rather denied.

And whilst I'm nudging the new player factor, let me just say something else about EVE and new player retention. EVE boasts about how players can become everything and become whatever they want. I suppose this would include making your own corp, grow big on your own, eventually own your own space. Except for that nowhere does it state that you pretty much have to become someone's prostitute these days before you have a decent chance of getting that own space you yearn for.

You can't just think in terms of risk vs reward.

This is not real life.

This is a game.

Its a triangle; risk, reward, fun.

In real life we face genuine risks and genuine rewards, those poker players stand to lose real money, to lose their house, their car, to face the prospect of eating less and going hungry. Eve Online is a GAME.

The only REAL risk in Eve Online is that you don't have fun. The only REAL reward in Eve Online is to have fun.

Often, people play games to get a sense of control and of power that they lack in their real lives. If, in their online spaceship gameplay they feel lack of control and feel powerless, they don't get the reward from the game that they crave and they'll go do something else.

Personally, my real life is challenging and stressful and I face very real risk every day I walk down the street. I don't need that in a game. I get my sense of control and power from facing day to day real life challenges. I barely play Eve any more, I now prefer less risky games where I can actually relax and let my guard down; because I cannot let my guard down when I am walking down the street here, or traveling on the bus, or going shopping. Its a cold, harsh reality. In real life.

I want fun when I play a game. Fun and relaxation and not having to watch my back all the time.

You have to take that into account. Risk vs reward is 2 dimensional. Eve is a 3 dimensional game. And its not poker. Well, I guess it would be if I could sell ISK...

Newbies don't care about refine rates.

Newbies, for the most part, don't even know that there is such a thing as varying refine rates.

Newbies will mine base level ores in shitfit non-mining-bonused non-cap-stable ships fitted with a couple of civilian mining lasers and a random selection of junk they find in their level 1 mission wrecks, will refine the ore in the nearest random station and sell the minerals to lowball regional buy orders (or not even refine, just sell the raw ore for whatever buy order is available), and go out and do it again.

Newbies don't min-max. Newbies aren't trying to min-max, they're still enjoying the thrill of something new and different (yes, even mining).

Your self entitled bleating of "You can't nerf me, because THE POOR NEWBIES will be sad and quit" like a billionaire complaining about how top-rate income tax rises will 'crush the middle classes' is nothing more than a demonstration of Malcanis' Law in action.

But I thought all those hulks that were being ganked before were cute newbies?

Have I been lied too, GENERAL DISCUSSION? Are you secretly pushing your own agenda by waving the newbie flag?


I need to find some newbies...

No risk at all in both places, null space and empire, if you are smart enough you never risk anything.

As carebear you can be safe in empire while run mission, trade, and even mining in general if you pay atention.
If you are null citizen you are safe to, here no risk, most of null space systems are empty or with very low visists, people who take control over region are immune form any agresion while plexes-rating in 0.0.

In both cases risk is minimal, in most cases people lose own stuf at own wish, here no risk while people are on earning ISK...
The risk factor is almost zero.

Whole risk vs rewad in EvE is more myth than true aspect in this game, same like small scale or - solo pvp( in general) both things are myth.

Hahahaha what. Ganking alts and money making alts are different, you silly GD poster.

We need to nerf ganking. This would be a Themepark Game Mechanic.

Let's go on the CONCORD buff ride ~~