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Falcon's = Combat Killer

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OkaskiKali
Aussie Carebear OverLords
#1 - 2012-12-15 11:33:48 UTC
Ok - a few years ago i remember CCP talking about the reason why they changes the doomsday affect from area to target specific.

I agreed with a lot of their thinking, titan AOE doomsdays killed battles.

I am finding that Falcons are in my opinion coming close to being "battle killers"; its relative ease at how it can sit cloaked, and then uncloak to jam targets to me is what is painful; some of the lamest tactics are at play here. sabre on gate go to engage uncloak falcon and sit for 30 + seconds and not be able to defend yourself is quite honestly a game killer.

I like to PVP and I have been using smaller ships since they have give me chest beating than using 250m ships - if i lose my small ship to a falcon jamming is less painful than losing a 250m ship. However, what ever the cost of ship - the falcon is quite honestly a battle killer. i guess this is coming from a point of view of a solo pvp'er but in any sized gang being able to not defend yourself against a falcon or for that matter a BB, is what for me is killing PVP.
Amarra Mandalin
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-12-15 11:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
OkaskiKali wrote:
Ok - a few years ago i remember CCP talking about the reason why they changes the doomsday affect from area to target specific.

I agreed with a lot of their thinking, titan AOE doomsdays killed battles.

I am finding that Falcons are in my opinion coming close to being "battle killers"; its relative ease at how it can sit cloaked, and then uncloak to jam targets to me is what is painful; some of the lamest tactics are at play here. sabre on gate go to engage uncloak falcon and sit for 30 + seconds and not be able to defend yourself is quite honestly a game killer.

I like to PVP and I have been using smaller ships since they have give me chest beating than using 250m ships - if i lose my small ship to a falcon jamming is less painful than losing a 250m ship. However, what ever the cost of ship - the falcon is quite honestly a battle killer. i guess this is coming from a point of view of a solo pvp'er but in any sized gang being able to not defend yourself against a falcon or for that matter a BB, is what for me is killing PVP.


The Sabre's role isn't to solo kill a Falcon, for starters.
OkaskiKali
Aussie Carebear OverLords
#3 - 2012-12-15 11:51:59 UTC
You semi to have mis understood me.. you jump through a gate a sabre bubbles and when you have engaged the falcon jams you leaving you defenseless
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-12-15 11:55:00 UTC
OkaskiKali wrote:
You semi to have mis understood me.. you jump through a gate a sabre bubbles and when you have engaged the falcon jams you leaving you defenseless


Offenseless unless you are saying that falcons jam your tank modules as well?

Falcons are broken for small gangs but once you get to about 5-10 people in a fleet they become less and less a problem. Falcons are far easier to deal with than say cloaky t2 link alts or spider logistics.
qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-12-15 11:55:07 UTC
OkaskiKali wrote:
Ok - a few years ago i remember CCP talking about the reason why they changes the doomsday affect from area to target specific.

I agreed with a lot of their thinking, titan AOE doomsdays killed battles.

I am finding that Falcons are in my opinion coming close to being "battle killers"; its relative ease at how it can sit cloaked, and then uncloak to jam targets to me is what is painful; some of the lamest tactics are at play here. sabre on gate go to engage uncloak falcon and sit for 30 + seconds and not be able to defend yourself is quite honestly a game killer.

I like to PVP and I have been using smaller ships since they have give me chest beating than using 250m ships - if i lose my small ship to a falcon jamming is less painful than losing a 250m ship. However, what ever the cost of ship - the falcon is quite honestly a battle killer. i guess this is coming from a point of view of a solo pvp'er but in any sized gang being able to not defend yourself against a falcon or for that matter a BB, is what for me is killing PVP.


ECCM..
Problem solved


Let me take a swing at this ...

Webifiers are combat killers.
They slow down my ship and I can do nothing with my artillery cannons when the blaster boat shoots me for 30 seconds
Amarra Mandalin
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2012-12-15 11:56:16 UTC
OkaskiKali wrote:
You semi to have mis understood me.. you jump through a gate a sabre bubbles and when you have engaged the falcon jams you leaving you defenseless


Throwing up bubbles w/o a scout is risky.
qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-12-15 11:56:28 UTC
OkaskiKali wrote:
You semi to have mis understood me.. you jump through a gate a sabre bubbles and when you have engaged the falcon jams you leaving you defenseless


This is what information warfare ganglinks are for
Niddengolliah
Limit Everyone Nowhere Kingdom
#8 - 2012-12-15 11:59:48 UTC
Well, it is the best ECM ship out there, so it is supposed to make life difficult for others. You do need to keep in mind that it is a glass cannon and will be killed in a couple of volleys if you manage to get a lock through.

ECCM also helps a lot, but then you are sacrificing other modules for an unlikely encounter... It IS possible to kill it and counter its tactics, but is it worth it? The same goes for all other PvP ships out there that are fairly situational.
OkaskiKali
Aussie Carebear OverLords
#9 - 2012-12-15 12:01:05 UTC
Can we get past how it happens and discuss how falcons and BB and kitsune destroys engagements
Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-15 12:02:57 UTC
because of falcon!
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
#11 - 2012-12-15 12:03:57 UTC
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:
You semi to have mis understood me.. you jump through a gate a sabre bubbles and when you have engaged the falcon jams you leaving you defenseless


This is what information warfare ganglinks are for



No, information warfare links are there to make you look stupid if you have them fitted when you die. They are worse than useless.
Amarra Mandalin
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2012-12-15 12:04:17 UTC
OkaskiKali wrote:
Can we get past how it happens and discuss how falcons and BB and kitsune destroys engagements


Working as intended.

Get an AF or warp away, are a couple options.
OkaskiKali
Aussie Carebear OverLords
#13 - 2012-12-15 12:04:44 UTC
Niddengolliah wrote:
Well, it is the best ECM ship out there, so it is supposed to make life difficult for others. You do need to keep in mind that it is a glass cannon and will be killed in a couple of volleys if you manage to get a lock through.

ECCM also helps a lot, but then you are sacrificing other modules for an unlikely encounter... It IS possible to kill it and counter its tactics, but is it worth it? The same goes for all other PvP ships out there that are fairly situational.


Nice post I'll focus on the point of countering the falcon... you can't counter a falcon once you are jammed unless you specifically go out to counter it...
OkaskiKali
Aussie Carebear OverLords
#14 - 2012-12-15 12:10:13 UTC
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:
Can we get past how it happens and discuss how falcons and BB and kitsune destroys engagements


Working as intended.

Get an AF or warp away, are a couple options.


how can you when the sabre has you scammed and because you engaged you can't jump out -like I said ewar is a lame tactic and not very easily countered im almost asking for there to be restriction on ewar..
Amarra Mandalin
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2012-12-15 12:18:26 UTC
OkaskiKali wrote:
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:
Can we get past how it happens and discuss how falcons and BB and kitsune destroys engagements


Working as intended.

Get an AF or warp away, are a couple options.


how can you when the sabre has you scammed and because you engaged you can't jump out -like I said ewar is a lame tactic and not very easily countered im almost asking for there to be restriction on ewar..


OK, yes I misunderstood. Your problem then is jumping into a bubble whereas a Falcon is on grid. That is just one of many unfortunate PvP scenarios for a solo pilot. The Falcon wouldn't be an issue w/o a Sabre so....not really sure what your point is about OP ECM.



cheese monkey
Chilil-out
#16 - 2012-12-15 12:18:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Falcons have always been OP when it comes to small gang warfare. Ruins the fun.

Does take the **** a bit!!

Edit - Please don't bypass the profanity filter! - ISD Suvetar

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-12-15 12:19:28 UTC
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
Working as intended.

Considering devs have been nerfing ECM, buffing sensor strength and have said they'd like to continue to change ECM, no
Amarra Mandalin
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2012-12-15 12:23:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
Benny Ohu wrote:
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
Working as intended.

Considering devs have been nerfing ECM, buffing sensor strength and have said they'd like to continue to change ECM, no


CCP does a lot of things when enough people whine about it. Are you saying ECM in general is flawed? There are many ships in this game that are/were OP... people will never be happy until the Drake, ECM and cloakies are dead. And when are we going to quit having hot drops in low sec? ....

I used to fly in an area where Russians dropped 5 Falcons ...was it fun? No. So we fought elsewhere or brought lots of frigs.

ETA: ECM is a force multiplayer, making a small-gang fearsome if used correctly. That is when you're able to engage with small gang these days. Ugh
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#19 - 2012-12-15 12:27:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Fon Revedhort
During recent event CCP formed their blob of 70.

Do you really believe they are concerned about small-scale PvP all that much? Big smile I somehow doubt at the scale of 70 vs X mere Falcons are gamebreaking Big smile

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
OkaskiKali
Aussie Carebear OverLords
#20 - 2012-12-15 12:32:27 UTC
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
OkaskiKali wrote:
Can we get past how it happens and discuss how falcons and BB and kitsune destroys engagements


Working as intended.

Get an AF or warp away, are a couple options.


how can you when the sabre has you scammed and because you engaged you can't jump out -like I said ewar is a lame tactic and not very easily countered im almost asking for there to be restriction on ewar..


OK, yes I misunderstood. Your problem then is jumping into a bubble whereas a Falcon is on grid. That is just one of many unfortunate PvP scenarios for a solo pilot. The Falcon wouldn't be an issue w/o a Sabre so....not really sure what your point is about OP ECM.





How can you not jump into a bubble if you are jumping gates.

Everything about the falcon makes it overpowered. Cloak for 1, how easy it is for them to sit at range and to render someone completely defenseless. anything cruiser class and below once committed is dead.

Eve to me is a game where PVP is my end game. How can i satisfy my PVP if everytime i engage someone solo a falcon can come on grid and overpower any fight that is occurring.
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