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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#21 - 2012-12-20 21:50:40 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
5 whole days. Must have been tough.

It was but I couldn't let a Hans comment like that go free.

But anyway, so long and thanks for all the fish.


ta-ta!

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Frying Doom
#22 - 2012-12-21 00:58:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Snow Axe wrote:
Bye! See you next election when you return to nearly destroy someone's campaign and then take credit for it's success in spite of you.

I will remove that one it is a bit to cynical even for me.

Have Fun.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
None ofthe Above
#23 - 2012-12-21 04:00:11 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Frying Doom wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
If you had not noticed besides the usual people


...who aren't all from 0.0. Two step, Aleks, Trebor, myself, all represent players outside 0.0 and were heavily involved in the document we submitted to CCP before the summit, which is remarkably similar to their own approach they will be sharing with the public very soon.

No one's buying the whiny, dishonest bullshit. You do the community a disservice by keeping this nonsense up.

So your detailed plans for letting Null sec grow without killing Hi-sec or making Null more for filling without rewarding Null players at a rate higher than those in Wormholes are?

But honestly Hans, do as you will and I will leave the whiny, dishonest bullshit to you.


FFS! This again.

If you are talking about the strategic planning document, the whole master plan there was, "Work on big things AND small things, you can even group them together with a theme!"

They gave some possible examples that were all null sec related that was admittedly probably a tactical error on their part, but it wasn't the thrust of the document.

Take off your tinfoil hat and reread it and you may be enlightened. (Or you are aware and choosing to ignore, in which case the dishonest BS charge Hans levelled at you is on the mark.)

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#24 - 2012-12-21 05:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: raskonalkov
^ True no reason to get angry at that CSM letter, with ways to improve null sec.

None of those ideas are feasible so there is no reason to get angry.

It is just mean, Frying, to not let null sec have their imaginations and overly idealistic goals. If they had a chance of getting much, you might be true frying doom. But you should have a heart towards them, all they have is their dreams and you should be careful about treading, since you can tread on them.

They can't really nerf your hi sec POS, they can only dream about nerfing your hi sec POS. And isn't that the most precious of all?
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#25 - 2012-12-21 07:06:01 UTC
Yes, everything in every example was for 0.0 only. Better POS, better mining, removing T2 production bottle necks, these are exclusively null sec things. Totes...

But even if we assume Frying Doom is wearing that shiny hat for a reason:

Instead of taking the fact that the four most prominent non-sov-nullsec reps (me, Two Step, Hans, Trebor) put an emphasis on null sec related development because null sec hasn't had a dedicated expansion in 3 years (and the one they did get was a FWesque half-release that CCP never fleshed out), Frying is so committed to his opinion that he'd rather insist the four of us are actually nullsec alliance guys.

Also, OP is a week old and he's still posting.

Frying: is there someone we can call for you? A family member or counselor maybe?

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#26 - 2012-12-21 07:38:24 UTC  |  Edited by: raskonalkov
^ I wish, just helping out null sec or giving them an expansion, was just that, giving them an expansion.

Seems like null sec spills out of null sec too often. Suppose why Frying and others are wary of buffing them.

I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to.

Two step might be able to explain to us, why Wormhole people don't spill out of wormholes. ( I heard there are alliances in them that attack carebears in wormholes, but they never spill out of them.)

Of course this might just be a goon problem or something. Most alliance to my knowledge in null like to stay in null and annoy the people there only. (Someone can correct me if wrong) (Or don't correct me, would be fun to start a thread saying null will never be buffed, because of goons, since they spill out and scam everyone.) ( Of course, goons, know this already, that is why they are gobbling up the moons.) ( They suspect CCP will never buff them, cause of their backward ways, so they will go ahead and buff themselves, then finally spill out of null for the last time, to bring destruction and ruin to everyone.)

Everyone fears PL, rightly so, but all they do is gank carebears in capitals and supers, not spill into hi sec. So with them only taking their ganking capabilities into stock is needed for a null sec expansion.

Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative.
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#27 - 2012-12-21 07:41:45 UTC
In null now, one is not allowed to sell supers to the enemy. That is all I am saying really.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2012-12-21 08:32:18 UTC
raskonalkov wrote:
^ I wish, just helping out null sec or giving them an expansion, was just that, giving them an expansion.

Seems like null sec spills out of null sec too often. Suppose why Frying and others are wary of buffing them.

I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to.

Two step might be able to explain to us, why Wormhole people don't spill out of wormholes. ( I heard there are alliances in them that attack carebears in wormholes, but they never spill out of them.)

Of course this might just be a goon problem or something. Most alliance to my knowledge in null like to stay in null and annoy the people there only. (Someone can correct me if wrong) (Or don't correct me, would be fun to start a thread saying null will never be buffed, because of goons, since they spill out and scam everyone.) ( Of course, goons, know this already, that is why they are gobbling up the moons.) ( They suspect CCP will never buff them, cause of their backward ways, so they will go ahead and buff themselves, then finally spill out of null for the last time, to bring destruction and ruin to everyone.)

Everyone fears PL, rightly so, but all they do is gank carebears in capitals and supers, not spill into hi sec. So with them only taking their ganking capabilities into stock is needed for a null sec expansion.

Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative.


Do you even read what you're writing?

You're seriously opposing a nullsec fix because dem uppity nullsec boys dare to come into decent people's space? And you think that people who want to be in null will spend even more time in hisec if CCP make null better?

What?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-12-21 08:47:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
Also, one of the oft-cited benefits of WHs is having cycling access to all kinds of others people's space to **** on them from, so really an awful argument through and through.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#30 - 2012-12-21 09:01:32 UTC
^ Only small things use that though. Nothing really exciting.
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#31 - 2012-12-21 09:12:04 UTC  |  Edited by: raskonalkov
Malcanis wrote:
raskonalkov wrote:
^ I wish, just helping out null sec or giving them an expansion, was just that, giving them an expansion.

Seems like null sec spills out of null sec too often. Suppose why Frying and others are wary of buffing them.

I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to.

Two step might be able to explain to us, why Wormhole people don't spill out of wormholes. ( I heard there are alliances in them that attack carebears in wormholes, but they never spill out of them.)

Of course this might just be a goon problem or something. Most alliance to my knowledge in null like to stay in null and annoy the people there only. (Someone can correct me if wrong) (Or don't correct me, would be fun to start a thread saying null will never be buffed, because of goons, since they spill out and scam everyone.) ( Of course, goons, know this already, that is why they are gobbling up the moons.) ( They suspect CCP will never buff them, cause of their backward ways, so they will go ahead and buff themselves, then finally spill out of null for the last time, to bring destruction and ruin to everyone.)

Everyone fears PL, rightly so, but all they do is gank carebears in capitals and supers, not spill into hi sec. So with them only taking their ganking capabilities into stock is needed for a null sec expansion.

Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative.


Do you even read what you're writing?

You're seriously opposing a nullsec fix because dem uppity nullsec boys dare to come into decent people's space? And you think that people who want to be in null will spend even more time in hisec if CCP make null better?

What?


Most developers I imagine look at balancing before they implement a feature. Of course that might be overboard for CCP.

But CCP could make the decision to go ahead and buff and then let everyone else deal with it. Who knows.

Besides what makes you think CCP would make null better?

They pretty much choose the to price cap tech at a level, that discourages your guys',farms and fields, approach. Or trying to incorporate more bottom up economy.

Just sayin in my opinion, the perspective of null vs hi sec has to be taking into consideration before just random buffs and remodeling is done.

Perhaps, since you don't seem to live in hi sec, and thus know no fear, perhaps the latest events in faction warfare could shed light. CCP went ahead and did changes while some groups held power and allowed them easier access.

Its pretty easy to tell some groups have a lot more power in null right now then others. Any buff or remodeling might make it easy for those super powers, to keep power easier or be more rewarding to them. I think you used to have a quote before on your sig that described that event malcanis.

Of course I don't live in null sec, so I don't fear that happening, and will just proclaim you a coward for feeling that way.

( Actually I do fear that, even though I don't live in null sec, cause the goons have that power, and they likey to attacky.)
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-12-21 10:17:18 UTC
raskonalkov wrote:
Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative.


If there was any doubt this was a troll...

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#33 - 2012-12-21 10:43:04 UTC
^ Take it as you will.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#34 - 2012-12-21 10:58:36 UTC
raskonalkov wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
raskonalkov wrote:
^ I wish, just helping out null sec or giving them an expansion, was just that, giving them an expansion.

Seems like null sec spills out of null sec too often. Suppose why Frying and others are wary of buffing them.

I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to.

Two step might be able to explain to us, why Wormhole people don't spill out of wormholes. ( I heard there are alliances in them that attack carebears in wormholes, but they never spill out of them.)

Of course this might just be a goon problem or something. Most alliance to my knowledge in null like to stay in null and annoy the people there only. (Someone can correct me if wrong) (Or don't correct me, would be fun to start a thread saying null will never be buffed, because of goons, since they spill out and scam everyone.) ( Of course, goons, know this already, that is why they are gobbling up the moons.) ( They suspect CCP will never buff them, cause of their backward ways, so they will go ahead and buff themselves, then finally spill out of null for the last time, to bring destruction and ruin to everyone.)

Everyone fears PL, rightly so, but all they do is gank carebears in capitals and supers, not spill into hi sec. So with them only taking their ganking capabilities into stock is needed for a null sec expansion.

Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative.


Do you even read what you're writing?

You're seriously opposing a nullsec fix because dem uppity nullsec boys dare to come into decent people's space? And you think that people who want to be in null will spend even more time in hisec if CCP make null better?

What?


Most developers I imagine look at balancing before they implement a feature. Of course that might be overboard for CCP.

But CCP could make the decision to go ahead and buff and then let everyone else deal with it. Who knows.

Besides what makes you think CCP would make null better?



What makes you think they will?

raskonalkov wrote:

I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to. .


So anwer the question: you're seriously contending that if CCP make null more engaging and worthwhile, this will lead to an increase in the number of nullsec pilots operating outside of nullsec? Because that's what you typed. I just wondered if you actually meant to type "If you don't buff null..."?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#35 - 2012-12-21 11:00:41 UTC
raskonalkov wrote:

Its pretty easy to tell some groups have a lot more power in null right now then others. Any buff or remodeling might make it easy for those super powers, to keep power easier or be more rewarding to them. I think you used to have a quote before on your sig that described that event malcanis.

Of course I don't live in null sec, so I don't fear that happening, and will just proclaim you a coward for feeling that way.

( Actually I do fear that, even though I don't live in null sec, cause the goons have that power, and they likey to attacky.)


What does this even mean? Are you drinking a lot of caffeinated drinks?

Actually no, one thing you said makes the rest make sense. I definitely believe you don't live in null Roll

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#36 - 2012-12-21 11:50:15 UTC  |  Edited by: raskonalkov
Malcanis wrote:
raskonalkov wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
raskonalkov wrote:
^ I wish, just helping out null sec or giving them an expansion, was just that, giving them an expansion.

Seems like null sec spills out of null sec too often. Suppose why Frying and others are wary of buffing them.

I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to.

Two step might be able to explain to us, why Wormhole people don't spill out of wormholes. ( I heard there are alliances in them that attack carebears in wormholes, but they never spill out of them.)

Of course this might just be a goon problem or something. Most alliance to my knowledge in null like to stay in null and annoy the people there only. (Someone can correct me if wrong) (Or don't correct me, would be fun to start a thread saying null will never be buffed, because of goons, since they spill out and scam everyone.) ( Of course, goons, know this already, that is why they are gobbling up the moons.) ( They suspect CCP will never buff them, cause of their backward ways, so they will go ahead and buff themselves, then finally spill out of null for the last time, to bring destruction and ruin to everyone.)

Everyone fears PL, rightly so, but all they do is gank carebears in capitals and supers, not spill into hi sec. So with them only taking their ganking capabilities into stock is needed for a null sec expansion.

Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative.


Do you even read what you're writing?

You're seriously opposing a nullsec fix because dem uppity nullsec boys dare to come into decent people's space? And you think that people who want to be in null will spend even more time in hisec if CCP make null better?

What?


Most developers I imagine look at balancing before they implement a feature. Of course that might be overboard for CCP.

But CCP could make the decision to go ahead and buff and then let everyone else deal with it. Who knows.

Besides what makes you think CCP would make null better?



What makes you think they will?

raskonalkov wrote:

I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to. .


So anwer the question: you're seriously contending that if CCP make null more engaging and worthwhile, this will lead to an increase in the number of nullsec pilots operating outside of nullsec? Because that's what you typed. I just wondered if you actually meant to type "If you don't buff null..."?


No I don't think they will so easily. Just thought you were under the impression they could or do want to buff it. And was asking why.
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#37 - 2012-12-21 11:52:39 UTC  |  Edited by: raskonalkov
Malcanis wrote:
raskonalkov wrote:

Its pretty easy to tell some groups have a lot more power in null right now then others. Any buff or remodeling might make it easy for those super powers, to keep power easier or be more rewarding to them. I think you used to have a quote before on your sig that described that event malcanis.

Of course I don't live in null sec, so I don't fear that happening, and will just proclaim you a coward for feeling that way.

( Actually I do fear that, even though I don't live in null sec, cause the goons have that power, and they likey to attacky.)


What does this even mean? Are you drinking a lot of caffeinated drinks?

Actually no, one thing you said makes the rest make sense. I definitely believe you don't live in null Roll


Goons and test own a lot of space right now. Might even argue more set up and ready for a change to null.

So most likely they would be ahead of any changes or ready to pounce on them. Compared to NC. being ready to pounce on any changes to null.

Not saying the goons are bad, or being unfair, just saying any changes, might help them then any others.

From what I read, it seems people assume any changes to null will be done with a clean slate. I am just saying they didn't clean the slate for faction warfare, so they probably won't clean the slate in null sec. The HBC will just be ready to pounce on any changes and bend things to their will.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-12-21 12:04:14 UTC
"if you change null it may benefit the CFC or the HBC along with everyone else therefore we should do nothing and keep the current null system in which the CFC and the HBC benefit at the exclusion of everyone else"

- some Publord

Truthfully though, what more fitting point of view to hold in a Frying Doom thread?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#39 - 2012-12-21 12:08:18 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


So anwer the question: you're seriously contending that if CCP make null more engaging and worthwhile, this will lead to an increase in the number of nullsec pilots operating outside of nullsec? Because that's what you typed. I just wondered if you actually meant to type "If you don't buff null..."?


Mostly meant in terms of hulkagedon and burn jita, they won't spill out just to make more tech 2 items or mine an asteroid belt.

They will mostly spill out to attack people and stuff like that, who knows if they would make it permanent or not. But like I said, PL and other alliances down there don't spill out. They are content with just attacking other null sec alliances, or ganking people with supers. That would make it easy to buff null and make it more worthwhile or something.

If you could buff null and promise they would never spill out and only use their buffs to take down other alliances, that would be easier. But come on asking people to buff a group of people that are just gonna turn around and use it on ya is just dumb.


raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
#40 - 2012-12-21 12:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: raskonalkov
Snow Axe wrote:
"if you change null it may benefit the CFC or the HBC along with everyone else therefore we should do nothing and keep the current null system in which the CFC and the HBC benefit at the exclusion of everyone else"

- some Publord

Truthfully though, what more fitting point of view to hold in a Frying Doom thread?


I would probably have to include education or some kind of forced doctrine to improve things to really give it justice.

Yeah its too bad this thread is filled with Publords only. Low ranking goons and then myself. No one impressive besides CSM post here. I am sure a null sec buff will go over very well indeed.

EDIT: Besides I think you guys earned what you have in null, and am excited in a way to see where it goes, or what happens. But I mean a change to null, then cheap tactics to get ahead isn't very exciting in a way.