Missions & Complexes

i can't use out-in-the-open torp manticores anymore. so that sucks too.

Then explain further why this hurts droneboats more than a missile-boat (which is almost complety unaffected). I can still sit there in my CNR beeing an F1 drone and never touch drones again, because... well, because I don't need drones at all. How does this change had any impact on mission running in a missile-boat? (oh and don't tell me I need to rely on drones to kill frigates - I rly don't)

Where is all the excitement from this change? I need to do the same as allways, Lock on, Press F1, repeat?
Where is all the excitement for high skilled pilots in their turret-boats? They instapop frigs like they have done before?

Sry guyz, but what you are saying is complete nonsense - this isn't about excitement or "grinding 4's is an activity now!!!" - it's just a slap in the face of less experienced players and boats that rely on drones - If you can't see why this is bad for the game then, then srsly, get some glasses.

Yeah, I haven't run missions in a while since I'm mining - but even there, nothing has changed. I still shot rats on sight and I'm not noticing a change in behaviour at all. Where is the benefit from this change?

*Hint* - there is none. ;)

Okay, been a while since I've posted on the forums so bare with me.

Why not just plate the newbie ships then use logi to keep them alive. Don't tell me that logi ships can't survive. We are now allowed to use MWDs in deadspace. It used to be a hamper in many ways. Why not just run the logi like we do in PvP fleets. Nano the logi and add an MWD. Then just make sure to keep transversals high, and well out of the rats engagement range. IE armor rep the plated n00bs with PvP style logi.

or you could just suggest rigor and flare missile rigs

What I've read:
OP > missions can't be done in group, as the NPC parodyAI doesn't permit roles
most repliers > don't AFK solo missions, run them with logistics




Someone suggested to run missions like a PVP op. This is also what I think should be a good thing, but the new parodyAI is exactly failing at that (that is, if you believe PVP in EVE can be something else than blobs and calling primaries).

From my point of view, the only ships able to run missions efficiently right now are the very stereotypical PVE ships, everything else tends to get smashed in the face: MWD, e-war, small tank/high dps fits seem to draw aggro like crazy, and the good old snail-y, overtanked/low dps fits are pretty much free to move.


Not that I care much about missions for themselves, but I get a little annoyed in the inside when I instantly draw whole room aggro over Marauders and BS in a frig or cruiser.

Anyway, adapt or die.

i know about that ewar Akuma. Still there is things you can do for passing the ecm - ts - sd . Also those insane fast frings that close up to you there are modules that you will hit em . I been all over high sec doing lvl 4 just to try the changes before i leave again for nullsec. I still do believe the worst ship to fly on any of those spaces are the drone boats. Sentry boats tend to win though because redeploying them is fast enough but all other just dont have a chance. As for turret boats you have options to tweak em according to your missions and what you expect inside there

I have no use for pathetic exuses you make. The only way to counter TD as a turret ship were drones. The only way to counter sensor damp were drones. ECM too but since ECM can miss you can actually live with it. So tell me, how am i supposed to kill that 30 km orbit elite cruiser without drones? Especially if there are 10+ of them (quite an often sight). Hint for mentally disabled: fitting counter modules doesnt work.

Does the turret based ship TD'd to below scram npc frigate orbit range need drones? I don't know what eve server some of you people play on but i'm sure mushrooms are a consumable.

I fly lots of ships in missions, and as such just don't have any problems. They want to eat my drones? Fine, grab a Maelstrom or Tengu. Whatever. My problem with the NPE is the pace they can outrace their standings. It's really not all that much work to get level 4's from a faction. In fact I've always thought it was to fast. It's quite easy to have level 3 missions and not be able to afford or have the proper skills for a suitable ship. The jump in difficulty form 3 to 4 is quite pronounced for a new player. Convincing them staying in level 3's and "blitzing" them till they have the proper skills has been my most effective tactic but it doesn't always work. Bringing them into a 4 and showing them the huge increase in dps/tank they will need used to be a real eye opener. Now? I can't in good conscience do that anymore. It's a death sentence now. Not a huge deal I suppose but was always nice to show, not tell how things needed to be done.

Every race has several top notch t1 ships now though for missions in the 1/2/3 level. Gearing up newbs is easier than ever and giving them hulls with real relative skill progression is great. All in all I think the NPE is far superior to even 6 months ago. IF they aren't safe in a level 4 anymore I think it's a small price to pay. IF your that concerned about the NPE, start a corp and help train them. Teach them the new AI, how to fit a ship, how to mission the most efficient way and pass out salvage destroyers if all else fails. I'm sorry the slow moving portable gun systems so many enjoyed aren't as efficient anymore. But honestly outside of level 4 missions those weren't good for a whole lot anyhow.

I'm sorry but this really bugs me. You do have drone ships, starting at t1 frig level now. But every drone ship also has support weapons. The Dominix in particular is capable of some pretty decent DPS without it's drones. And to be honest you should be using sentry drones anyhow that fight from range and have a pretty decent tank in level 4's.