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Proteus vs Tengu - L4 Mission Boat
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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-12-19 13:35:54 UTC
Backfyre wrote:
Bigg Gun wrote:
Considering a domi can easilly do 1000 and more dps I dont rhink proteus can be better. Tengu is the way to go

Sounds like EFT warrior numbers. How's that Domi do on time when you have 50km to the next gate? What is your "true" DPS when you account for waiting for those 120km targets to close range? How about pulling those drones back in when they get aggro under the new AI. How about swapping out the sentries when the frigs get too close or starting a mission where you are at point blank range on a dozen rats?

All that said, Navy Domi may be better than a proteus. Tengu is not a bad choice either. If you're gonna retrain to minimize time, there are better choices.


eft shield tanking blaster domi + ogres is 1200+ (ish) dps

shieldtanking rail domi + sentries is still 1k+ dps
3 dda's really push the drone dps up. and sentries dont ahve travel time.


Smarter drone deployment makes most of your points irrelevant
Smarter dronebay selection makes smart deployment possible.
If you can take the time to adjust your resistance modules for tanking a mission, then you also have time to adjust your dronebay contents to suit too.

Target is 75km+ away --> Bouncer or Warden
Target is 25-55km away --> Garde
Target is under 25km --> Hobgoblin/Hammerhead/Ogre depending on target size
- small target - Hobgoblin or Hammerhead
- medium target - Hobgoblin or Hammerhead
- large target - Hammerhead or Ogre
Higgs Maken
The Metal Box Company
#22 - 2012-12-19 16:38:44 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Backfyre wrote:
Bigg Gun wrote:
Considering a domi can easilly do 1000 and more dps I dont rhink proteus can be better. Tengu is the way to go

Sounds like EFT warrior numbers. How's that Domi do on time when you have 50km to the next gate? What is your "true" DPS when you account for waiting for those 120km targets to close range? How about pulling those drones back in when they get aggro under the new AI. How about swapping out the sentries when the frigs get too close or starting a mission where you are at point blank range on a dozen rats?

All that said, Navy Domi may be better than a proteus. Tengu is not a bad choice either. If you're gonna retrain to minimize time, there are better choices.


eft shield tanking blaster domi + ogres is 1200+ (ish) dps

shieldtanking rail domi + sentries is still 1k+ dps
3 dda's really push the drone dps up. and sentries dont ahve travel time.


Smarter drone deployment makes most of your points irrelevant
Smarter dronebay selection makes smart deployment possible.
If you can take the time to adjust your resistance modules for tanking a mission, then you also have time to adjust your dronebay contents to suit too.

Target is 75km+ away --> Bouncer or Warden
Target is 25-55km away --> Garde
Target is under 25km --> Hobgoblin/Hammerhead/Ogre depending on target size
- small target - Hobgoblin or Hammerhead
- medium target - Hobgoblin or Hammerhead
- large target - Hammerhead or Ogre

Did you read what you have quoted?

I don't fly a Domi, but I fly a Rattlesnake, I have to agree with Backfyre: flying 50Km in a 100++ms ship is boring. You've suggested using sentry, which means your Domi would be stationary, after killing all the rats, how does your 'Smarter' drone deployment solve the slow speed problem? A tengu would have flown towards gate while killing those rats, and would have warp off while you're scoping your sentry.

I only flown my Rattlesnake if I need those extra tank else Gila is my choice. I have solve the swapping sentry for light for point blank frigate by using ligh missile launcher instead of the usual heavy.

My bad for arguing with EFT warrior who have probably never flown a Domi.
Lord Okinaba
Aliastra
#23 - 2012-12-19 18:18:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Okinaba
I used a sentry Domi in Gallente space for over a year and it worked really well. Most missions you can warp in, drop sentries and take out the whole room. Very rarely I found would you have to move around.

I've recently changed to a Mach, simply for a change of pace. It doesn't do missions any faster than my sentry Domi from what I can tell.

I think the ideal setup in Gal space is actually to use a sentry Domi for Serp missions, due to the damps, and use the Mach for everything else.

Edit: Example of a Serp mission below. No slow boating to any gates, although I do have a AB should the need arise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24CcjmYQmOs
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#24 - 2012-12-19 20:36:38 UTC
Norm Tempesta wrote:
ColdCutz wrote:
I'm a drone user mainly, so I have fun zipping around in a microwarpdrive Proteus with 3 Modal Neutrons and 4 Ogre II's. Currently I can squeeze out a 453dps Angel tank while doing 579dps short range damage, but flying cap stable at 1600m/s mitigates the travel time between each battleship. The speed generally balances out the sigbloom, but then you just cut off the prop when you start to orbit anyway.

At full skills you can get the damage output up to around 681, or 781 with two Drone Damage II mods.



Dang, i missed something there. I get well over 900 dps, cap stable with mwd, using med drones. Actually can get over 1000 with a 5% dmg implant. The ship is a lot faster than ogres, so i just use guns and hammerheads.
Yes that is true. I'll probably switch over to that when I max my blaster skills out. Bit of a shame that the drone sub doesn't even cut it for PVE.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-12-20 03:50:10 UTC
Higgs Maken wrote:

My bad for arguing with EFT warrior who have probably never flown a Domi.


Nope, your bad for making an incorrect assumption.




Whilst your busy reading that mission guide for resists to be fitted, its also more often than not giving you spawn data inc distances to spawn, and accel gate data
this is information that you should be using to inform your drone loadout choices
if your not ... well sucks to be you.

missions. they aint rocket science. they're too easy




the number of missions with 50km gate distances is insignificant
also Afterburner, fit one they make you go faster.

so whiney ..........
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
#26 - 2012-12-20 04:05:48 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
[quote=Backfyre][quote=Bigg Gun]
eft shield tanking blaster domi + ogres is 1200+ (ish) dps


Quoting EFT drone DPS #'s is nowhere near realistic, considering EFT does not factor the slow as dirt flight time Ogres have.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#27 - 2012-12-20 11:01:45 UTC
^ tell that to the Domi that has you webbed at 10k

...right, it was over before you could finish the sentence

(nobody uses heavies for far away targets)

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Higgs Maken
The Metal Box Company
#28 - 2012-12-20 12:01:02 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Higgs Maken wrote:

My bad for arguing with EFT warrior who have probably never flown a Domi.


Nope, your bad for making an incorrect assumption.




Whilst your busy reading that mission guide for resists to be fitted, its also more often than not giving you spawn data inc distances to spawn, and accel gate data
this is information that you should be using to inform your drone loadout choices
if your not ... well sucks to be you.

missions. they aint rocket science. they're too easy




the number of missions with 50km gate distances is insignificant
also Afterburner, fit one they make you go faster.

so whiney ..........


Drone load out choice? If rats is at 120Km, what drone would you use, and how would you fit your domi? It will achieve that mystical 1200k dps, right? I beg you please share your fit, it's sounds like the perfect mission domi, long range, good tank, great speed, and most importantly excellently dps.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-12-20 14:58:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
ffs .. are you some kind of illiterate uneducated buffoon ???

someone (possibly you) mentioned eft fits
i posted an eft value (the blaster + ogre = 1200)
then i posted a more reasonable REALWORLD set of numbers, straight underneath it
learn to effin read


I have already posted the information about when to use your drones, you have even quoted that information
so im guessing thats more reading comprehension failure on your behalf

if you want 1200dps from a domi its easy to get

T2 Large Blasters
Ogre IIs
Shield Tanking Fit
DDA & MFS in the lows

but it's a HIGH dps fit, so its also a short range fit

can you get 1200 dps at 120km from a Domi...
No, and you know you can't, your just being deliberately obtuse and argumentative.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2012-12-20 18:37:50 UTC
Higgs Maken wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
Higgs Maken wrote:

My bad for arguing with EFT warrior who have probably never flown a Domi.


Nope, your bad for making an incorrect assumption.




Whilst your busy reading that mission guide for resists to be fitted, its also more often than not giving you spawn data inc distances to spawn, and accel gate data
this is information that you should be using to inform your drone loadout choices
if your not ... well sucks to be you.

missions. they aint rocket science. they're too easy




the number of missions with 50km gate distances is insignificant
also Afterburner, fit one they make you go faster.

so whiney ..........


Drone load out choice? If rats is at 120Km, what drone would you use, and how would you fit your domi? It will achieve that mystical 1200k dps, right? I beg you please share your fit, it's sounds like the perfect mission domi, long range, good tank, great speed, and most importantly excellently dps.


Fit micro jump drive.. and whallaaa.. you 20km away Blink
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
#31 - 2012-12-21 01:31:21 UTC
Roime wrote:
^ tell that to the Domi that has you webbed at 10k

...right, it was over before you could finish the sentence

(nobody uses heavies for far away targets)


Even at 10k, a Domi will only achieve max DPS while the drones are within range of target. Once you factor in travel time, the number drops. The further the distance, the more extreme the reduction.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#32 - 2012-12-21 03:54:01 UTC
The proteus does actually work very well in the right situation. Vs kin/th dealing rats it can fit a MAR II and a resist mod or two and tank perfectly fine, while running a MWD and fitting a fair bit of gank. The trick is minimizing the distance to the next target...have yourself pre-aligned and burning when the current one pops. It works especially well in missions where the spawns are close-ish.

thhief ghabmoef
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