EVE General Discussion

Couple of days ago I wanted to go to certain null system, 9 jumps into null. High => null gateway system was camped by 45 (!!!) people. Every other system on my path was inhabited by 1-3 pilots (i.e. gate camps are more than 50% of null activities). And I've checked amount of popped ships in gateway system - around 40 during 24 hours. Considering those campers can play maximum 12 hours where were ~90 of them during 24 hours and they popped less than 1/2 of ship per day per camper.

1/2 of popped ship per hardcore PvP player per day. No wonder people in null are so bored they are going nuts while sitting in gate camps resulting in posts with strange ideas on these forums.

Condolences. And - come to hi/low sec maybe?

seems like OP wants really big changes to current game

which will never happen because money

which means he will probably quit soon

so can i have your stuff?

I'm new to this, but here is what I have observed since starting:

I ran across information about nullsec corps forming massive alliances.
I keep hearing about "seas of blue" and boredom at gate camps.
I see people complaining that too many players are in high-sec, and therefore they lack targets.



Now, maybe I am ignorant of some socio-political issues in EVE, but it would seem to me that if these massive nullsec alliances were destroyed then everyone would go back to shooting each other and it wouldn't feel like a target deprived environment.

You know that the CFC has just concluded a year long campaign, that the HBC are cleaning up the last bits of their 6 month campaign, and that there's still an active war going on around the Nulli/Gypsy vs SOLAR/-A- front in the south?

The "all of null is blue and no fights happen" line is more of a general discussion fox-news style talking point than anything which has a relationship with the facts.

I love the way people will suggest something, and use null sec diplomacy as both a reason for the change and to say that the change itself will stop what the players are doing.

It would seem that some people play EVE who have a serious misfire somewhere between the right and left ear.

See, I play a game called EVE that provides players the tools to build their own empires either though force, diplomacy, or both. In order for there to be safety the players have to actively create it.

Some of you, on the otherhand, have this absurd idea that null sec is supposed isn't supposed to allow the players to decide exactly what happens in null sec, and instead is intended to a giant deathmatch.



I hate to break it to some of you.
On top of having really horrible ideas, you're also playing a game you clearly don't understand. Some of you keep expecting CCP to create clearly structured areas of the game that are inteded for specific activeties and nothing else.

Some of you keep looking at EVE as:
High sec = PvE
Low sec = Red vs Blue pvp
Null sec = FFA PvP

That is wrong.
Null sec is the player driven counterpart to high sec. Some of you wouldn't like it if caldari players were allowed to fly into gallente space and shoot you without concord intervention, even though both factions ARE AT WAR. One corp in null is not "required" to shoot another null corp just because they're both in null.

Some of you insist on continually asking CCP to remove the best aspects of EVE, the PLAYER DRVEN parts.
I genuinely wish you guys would go play something else.

Suggestions that are aimed at doing things like "breaking up the blue blob" are unfounded and rediculous given the nature of EVE being a game that's all about player drven content.

Peace in null sec is working as intended, because we the players decided there would be piece; not developer imposed mechanics. Some of you are awful EVE players; who can't seem to come to terms with the fact that EVE is a sandbox.

I wonder all the time why the peole who like space ships but not snadbox/conflcit aren't playing Star Trek Online instead. I play it a bit as a change up, when I don't wanna think real hard lol.

I suspect it's just an aspect of human nature playing out.

Some of us (people like me) go places and, if we don't like what we see and there are alternatives, we leave and find something better. Others go to a place, find that place not to their liking and rather than leave they stay and try to remake the new place into what THEY want it to be (despite how the place already works or the wishes of any natives already there).

I've experienced these"change now" types in every aspect of life and it's sad to have to put up with them in EVE of all things.

Not sure if you are implying my post here, but I just want to be clear that what I was saying had nothing whatsoever to do with CCP. I was only making observations and when I said "alliances were destroyed" I did not mean either A) CCP should do so, or B) that it is a good idea. Frankly, I do not know enough about the game to know if it is a good idea or not, but I do know that it is entirely in the player's hands.

Basically, all I was saying was: if you want null-sec (or even high-sec) to be more violent, go make it more violent.

Yea, I'm cool with it. Personally, it feels like everything is fine. Sandbox is sandbox, and I understand what that means.

I was only commenting on the idea that I've seen some nullsec players advocate, which is to destroy highsec in order to provide them more action. My solution to that *if it is a problem* would just be for them to just start shooting each other.

I really don't think CCP should make highsec any safer than it is, or force nullsec to be a constant battlefield. I realize now that my initial post was probably very easy to misinterpret, which is why I wanted to put these and clarify what I was trying to say.

I would have prefered the OP to be worded as simply as post 116.

That's all.

By logical extension (and I'm not dissagreeing with the foundation of your assessment) new pilots strengthen and develop local market hubs, while vets keep commerce flowing (in a reduced amount) between the various commerce hubs.

This is an EXCELLENT way to strengthen the overall EvE economy while promoting a stronger system of local trade hubs.

Edit: Additionally, I don't think anyone would have an objection to islands of High Sec deep in Low or Null sec, but that might be a little bit too handy for Null Sec alliances industrial activities.