EVE General Discussion

Thx for statin the obvious

By having one single big market, the newbies are forced to compete against every-single-one of the old and well stablished players.

By having a lot of different markets, theyll have bigger opportunities and bigger margins to make profit, or specialize in ships that can transport goods with a good percentage of success, and make transport a decent way of living.

Im not.

Stopped reading there as the DING from my Troll Detector™ went off.

As a certified Troll, I recommend and endorse this product.

The last I checked, it's the "mindless mining" that keeps you in fancy ships. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if you were flying something built by noobs right now. So yes, industry is a viable career option for new players. That doesn't mean they start at the top instantly - like any career, you start at the bottom, "sweeping floors" so to speak. And it also doesn't mean that they have to remain exclusive to an industrial career. But you can't just shovel an aspect of the game away from new players just because you think they should be doing something else.

Honestly, this is just starting to come across as a "make more low sec so I can kill more noobs" thread.

You want it straight up? EVE offers a game that others can't really compare to and CCP knows it. Now you talk about "singleplayeresque" but as being someone who spent most of their time running missions in an indy corp, the MMO experience is as much about simply interacting with other people and not just about actually doing things together as a group.

Many don't want the hassle of having to constantly scan, setup and follow bookmarks, etc., etc. While Concord can't necessarily stop you from losing a ship in high sec, it sure is an efficient deterrent. That's the difference between high sec and everywhere else. Someone is not likely to blow you up if there is no profit to be made, or better yet, if blowing you up mean they get Concorded and lose more than you did. Yet outside of high sec, there is nothing stopping someone from warping in on you, locking you down and blowing you up. So what, they get flagged now? That is only a high sec thing because it doesn't matter if someone is flagged or not, there is no Concord to step in.

Removing Concord will not open the game up. It will cause a mass exodus which will hurt CCP financially which will hurt the whole of EVE. Honestly, depending on the severity of how many leave, CCP could end up turning a net loss and be forced to shut down the servers. Then everyone loses. You'd be eating your words then, wouldn't you.

There is also the old saying, "don't bite the hand that feeds you". The indy corps operating in hi-sec feed the game the items you see in the market.

What CCP needs to do is come up with some way for corps to take on the role of Concord (think how some players can become ISD's). If done right and combined with the new flag system, could replace Concord. This could then be the compromise (again, if done right) between Concord and no Concord and could be what the game needs to blend high, low and null sec together in terms of the odds of getting blown up over time.

Keep in mind that the game isn't any fun if you can't progress because you keep losing more isk than you can make and you can't afford anything above a frigate or cruiser and if the game isn't fun for someone, they won't pay to play. If too many feel this way, CCP stops making a money.

Just remember that when it comes to profiting off of PVP, it comes at someone else's loss. In order for one person to win more often than they lose (to continue to profit) someone else has to lose more often than they win.

USeless, utterly useless thread.

High Sec is not going anywhere ever.

Silly to even speculate.

The idea is a Dead Parrot, pining for the fjords.

So... I'm officially a villain now??

Excellent!

Remove all secs and police and make EVE the wild west. Then we'll all have sex