Player Features and Ideas Discussion

My theory.

There is already a t2 version of the tier 1 and 2 battleships.

tier 1 bs's are black ops, while tier 2 are marauders.

So, with that in mind.

Rebalance and rename Marauders. The do not currently fit their description, nor do they really fit their intended role when compared to navy and pirate ships.

Take the existing tier 3 battleships and design them as Marauders. They would basically be a mix of what black ops and the old Marauders were. They would have black ops jump drives, weak tanks in comparison to black ops or Marauders, but have massive dps. High bonuses to turret damage, but with tracking penalties... Not designed for engaging small ships, but more designed for mixed tactical assault fleets. Good agility, good mobility.
They could covert cyno in, bash a pos, and cyno out before the enemy even knew what hit them.(assuming you had a decent fleet of them).
Their designs would be covert POS and capital bashing, but, they would also fit as a new ship for bashing high sec POS's.

This means you'd have your high damage, high tank ships. You're covert ships, and your sub capital heavy attack vessel with covert cyno capability.

It would be nice to shake up the Amarr BS line with a weapon system other than lasers.

But I am.still of the opinion that there is a gap in the BS lines in.general for a T2 attack boat, rather than another brawler.

Also, the Marauder does suit its role, which is solo boat. Given its bonuses, sacrificing one slot for an ECCM is not that bad a deal. Thanks to Hans.dropping a hint in the BC update thread, I'm betting that there will either be an Ancillary Armour Repper incoming or active tanking bonuses will be applied in some way to remote reps. Maybe both.
That would change the playing field dramatically.
Without that sort of change, I suggest droping active bonuses on ships in favour of resistance.
(I would also like to see an armour repair amp, like the shield boost amp.)

take the abaddon, add some missile slots, turn it into a t2 ba hac, give it the resist bonus (like it already has), the damage bonus of the sac, and the cap recharge of the sac and u prolly wont hear from me again..=)

T2 Tier 3 marauders would be ALL out war machines designed as brawlers, quite expensive, very skill intensive, and with the sole purpose of doing the most damage possible, but without the benefits of the current marauders of saving ammo and being able to apply damage easily to far away targets, with the exception of the t2 rokh, being a true sniper ship.

I m thinking of something like:

T2 Abaddon... Unstoppable.
8 launchers, 5% launcher rof bonus, 10% explosion speed bonus, 5% all damage bonus, 5% Armor resist.


T2 Rokh... One shoot, one kill.
8 Guns, 7. 5% Damage bonus, 7.5% Tracking bonus, 10% optimal bonus, 5% shield resist.


T2 Hyperion... Go get em my minions!
125 Drone control, 1250 Drone bay, 25 Control per level, 10% Drone bonus per level, +1 drone control per level, 5% armor resist


T2 Maelstrom... Blending machine
8 Turrets, 5% Rof turrets, 5% Damage, 5% Shield resistance, 7.5% Tracking.

End Result: Pure DPS and Tank, perfect brawlers.

No Role bonuses.
also to whoever said something about current marauders being brawlers, current marauders are a piece of crap on pvp, specially given their sick low EHP. Weak Sensors, Weak Capacitors

So with some Black Ops tweaking going on, getting 4 more Black Ops ships ready for when the existing ones are properly balanced seems like a good idea to me.

Make it happen CCP

Unstoppable is right. Try over 2000 DPS of unstoppable! And thats without Drones. Admittedly thats rage ammo, but all the same.
This is the reason why no ship, (other than the Raven State Issue,) has 8 launcher hard points. Especially on a BS level.
Even 7 launchers is pretty ceefy at over 1800 dps. Range would be problematic, making missile range rigs a necessity. Would be a very CPU intensive ship.
I like the idea of a Khanid BS using the Abaddon hull. But this is too OP. That seconds damage bonus is far too much, maybe swap it for a range bonus and drop it to 7 or even 6 launchers.


Just under 940 DPS/4800 Alpha with rails using CN-AM, applied to about 60+km. Not bad...
But that becomes 1540 DPS/6500 Alpha with Blasters and Void, hitting 10+km
Hybrids need to be looked at and thats no mistake. This ship would have range over the other ships your suggesting and thats it.


Please god, dont even get me started with increasing drone amounts. With these bonuses, your looking at the equivelant of 15 Garde II's... That's 1500 DPS/6000 Alpha with just 3 Drone damage amp II's!!! You would be making an afk ratting machine! Throw in some turrets and I doubt anything would ever compare to the sheer gank potential!
Extra drones are an issue. Bandwidth and the control maximum of 5 were introduced because of the problems so many drones were causing for the server. Not sure how much of an issue that would be now, but still.
Maybe, give the boat a +1 drone and +25mb at secondary skill level 4 and another +1/25mb at level 5. That could probably go for a 12.5% drone bonus per level.


Now a double bonus to 8 turrets come out at 1370 DPS on 800mm AC and 970 DPS/15600 Alpha ( O.o ) with 1400mm Arty, bith using T2 ammo. This doesn't seem all that bad, although I would be tempted to swap the resist bonus for a falloff bonus, to keep in line with the Minmatar HAC's and allow for better applied DPS.

All of those figuress I used were based from all V's skills and 3 or 4 faction damage mods, (or T2 in the case of drones.) Thats because no one in their right mind is going to fit a ship like this with less.


This is because Marauders are not brawlers. They are lone wolves designed to be the be all and end all of PvE boats. They do that job pretty well.

HAC's don't have much in the way of increased damage compared to their T1 equivelants. Its their tank thats the biggest asset. They also lose a lot of their mobility. I can see this being an issue when they are scaled up to BS class. These brawlers will just get kited.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of the weapon choices you have put forward as well as the hulls. But I'm just not sure about some of the numbers. Alsom, the sheer EHP of these bricks would be massive and I'm not sure how that would affect the state of the battlefield.

Thats the main reason I was suggesting Attack style ships, more in the vein of the Vaga than the Zealot.


As for Vulfens idea about jump BS's, just no. Hell no.

lmao wait for the new buff